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Breeding => General/Questions => Topic started by: Shanthi on December 11, 2004, 02:44:33 AM

Title: Naming Foals
Post by: Shanthi on December 11, 2004, 02:44:33 AM
When naming your foals, please do a search first to see if there are similar names.  I can/will rename foals if need be, but I'd like not to.

Eventually, I will write elaborate code to check foal names and make sure that they're not too similar to existing horses, but that hasn't happened yet (obviously).
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Freedom on July 16, 2006, 09:51:00 PM
I know this is a really old post, but I was wondering. Has that feature been added yet?
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Shanthi on July 16, 2006, 09:56:13 PM
No, as the function(s) available to do that don't really work too well.  i.e. it can tell me if there are characters different between 2 names, but it won't flag Love Dream/Love Dreams (bad) and not flag Love Dream/Love Cream (not as bad).
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Freedom on July 16, 2006, 09:59:29 PM
Oh, okay. Just wondering. I would want to give my foals original names anyway, just for my pride's sake.  ;)
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: taylon on July 16, 2006, 11:29:12 PM
I've found that if you search the full name, then portions of the name (if more than one word), and the name with like, "s" on the back (such as Love Dream/Loves Dream/Love Dreams) to check and see if there are any similarities, and you don't find any, you are *probably* safe with that name.
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Shanthi on March 07, 2007, 11:49:56 PM
Please keep in mind the guidelines for naming foals.

- No stable names/abbreviations in foal names.  i.e. Stillwater's Champion, SF I'm A Champion are not allowed.

- No egomania in naming foals after yourself *cough* Jasameron *cough*  Naming a horse in someone else's honor (i.e. Sarah's Joy) is acceptable, but only to a limited extent (i.e. you shouldn't name an entire foal crop Sarah's Joy, Sarah's Pride, Sarah's Butterfly, Sarah's Banana Cream Cake, etc.)

- No foul language/innuendo in foal names.

- As noted above, please search for names similar to your horse's name before naming your horse.

- Please use proper grammar/spelling, if possible.  Abbreviations in order to fit the 18 character limit are fine, but otherwise please spell check your names before you submit them.  (Also, check capitalization...it should be My Champion, not My champion).
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Bam on March 08, 2007, 12:36:25 PM
I had been thinking at some point to name a foal Snowbird. Would this be acceptable? My original intent wasn't for the horse to be after my stable (as I was wanting to do this back when I had Wither Hawk Stables). But if it applies too much to your first guideline then oh well :)
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Shanthi on March 08, 2007, 01:52:59 PM
Given that you have a stable name of Snowbird, you hardly need a horse named Snowbird as well.
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Brenda on March 08, 2007, 03:29:03 PM
Can a foal that you bought, be renamed? Just curious for future reference.
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Shanthi on March 08, 2007, 03:50:15 PM
Horses can be renamed until they are officially racehorses (i.e. 2 years old)
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Bam on March 08, 2007, 04:10:44 PM
-shrugs- I like the name. But, okay. That's fine. :)


Also, I've noticed there are a lot of Smylie horses...? Is that allowed?
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Smylie on March 08, 2007, 05:42:11 PM
Well, I'm getting my hand slapped as we speak!!!  :'( I just think it somewhat odd that a lot of the rules we see above have "just" come into play. I scanned the database for all entries with naming foals in it and couldn't find a lot said on the subject!!! Just my opinion and I'll probably have to change!!!
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Shanthi on March 08, 2007, 05:50:14 PM
They have not "just" been put into place.  Several other stables have been asked to rename their foals for various reasons.  It is just that now I realized that I had not explicitly stated the rules anywhere, so I rectified that.
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Andrea on March 08, 2007, 05:54:24 PM
I'm glad for the rules.  I wouldn't want to buy a horse with another stable's "brand name" splashed all over it.  Buying a horse with a bloodline name is fine, I like buying dynasty horses.  But I'd pay less for a horse with another stable's name on it.  I mean, I like Shanthi and her horses are nice, but it'd be silly to have "Stillwater Rogue" earning paychecks for Storybook Farms.  And I'd never feel like the horse was "mine."
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Nan on March 08, 2007, 06:01:48 PM
Yeah, the rules have been in place for a while, and I've seen a stable or two have to change their horses' names because of it. So it's not just recent and you're not being singled out Smylie. :)
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Smylie on March 08, 2007, 07:15:58 PM
Relax people.....  ;D I don't believe I'm being singled out.....  :o If I did I would have left a long time ago..... :'(
I realize that this game is based on "Thoroughbred" racing and NOT "Harness" racing which is what I'm most familiar with. From that perspective (Harness Racing) there are a number of huge breeders in the business like Hanover, Winbak, Blue Chip and Seelster to name a few and to possess horses from those farms usually infers that the horse has better blood lines (Sire and Dam) and is usually better taken care of than from smaller breeders. These farms run upwards of 200 + yearlings each thru the sales at the end of the year. It is big business and the calling card of many a great horse has those names somewhere in the name. Of course many have bought those yearlings and changed the names and even with the best of breeding you can come up with a dud!!!

Just thoughts from the other side of the fence from an age crazed lunatic!!!!   LOL
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Shanthi on April 23, 2007, 03:45:16 PM
I was browsing around the jockey club site, and re-looked at their naming rules.  It turns out that they officially don't allow foals to be named after people/farms.  Here is the complete list of their rules:

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1. Names consisting of more than 18 letters (spaces and punctuation marks count as letters);
2. Initials such as C.O.D., F.O.B., etc.;
3. Names ending in "filly," "colt," "stud," "mare," "stallion," or any similar horse-related term;
4. Names consisting entirely of numbers. Numbers above thirty may be used if they are spelled out.
5. Names ending with a numerical designation such as "2nd" or "3rd," whether or not such a designation is spelled out;
6. Names of persons unless written permission to use their name is on file with The Jockey Club;
7. Names of "famous" people no longer living unless approval is granted by the Board of Stewards of The Jockey Club;
8. Names of "notorious" people;
9. Names of racetracks or graded stakes races;
10. Recorded names such as assumed names or stable names;
11. Names clearly having commercial significance, such as trade names;
12. Copyrighted material, titles of books, plays, motion pictures, popular songs, etc., unless the applicant furnishes The Jockey Club with proof that the copyright has been abandoned or that such material has not been used within the last five years;
13. Names that are suggestive or have a vulgar or obscene meaning; names considered in poor taste; or names that may be offensive to religious, political or ethnic groups.
14. Names that are currently active either in the stud or on the turf, and names similar in spelling or pronunciation to such names, see 6(E);
15. Permanent names and names similar in spelling or pronunciation to permanent names.

[FF stretches this a bit since we have foals named after books/songs/song lyrics, but in general, FF foal naming follows the JC rules.]
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Akilluh on March 02, 2008, 03:57:58 PM
Two quick questions, just to be absolutely sure. 

Are those the Don'ts?
And can names be in another language? And in "other languages" I mean Spanish or French, considering that those two languages are the most taught in schools and such.

Oh make it three ^_^
Are special characters allowed? Like the accents over E's and under C's mainly.
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: CricketHill on March 02, 2008, 04:47:02 PM
Yep, those are the don'ts. 

I'm pretty sure other languages are definitely okay--there's a horse running around here with the name of "Garlic" in Japanese.  Just nothing inappropriate in foreign languages. 

Not sure about the special characters.  They may show up funny in other people's browsers, but I don't think there's any specific rule against special characters.
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Akilluh on March 02, 2008, 04:55:34 PM
Oh Ok. Thanks for the clarification Cricket. I'll just try to stay away from the special Charries... I remember when my computer didn't show them... I was like "Aww nuts!" :(  I'd hate for that to happen to another player.
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Freedom on March 02, 2008, 04:58:35 PM
FF stretches this a bit since we have foals named after books/songs/song lyrics, but in general, FF foal naming follows the JC rules.

Is naming horses inspired from song lyrics against the rules? That's where I get most of my names.. but if it's against the rules, I won't use them. ;)
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Sorceress Edea on March 02, 2008, 05:11:39 PM
FF stretches this a bit since we have foals named after books/songs/song lyrics, but in general, FF foal naming follows the JC rules.

Is naming horses inspired from song lyrics against the rules? That's where I get most of my names.. but if it's against the rules, I won't use them. ;)

I think it's fine, 90% of my foals are named after songs, and I find alot of other horses named for things like that too. :)  You're fine to use them, just as long as they follow the other rules.


And Cat, I'm glad you like Ninniku :P  Don't forget Sakana though, his name means Fish in Japanese ;D
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: CricketHill on March 02, 2008, 09:14:19 PM
Yep.  He was just the example that came to mind.


Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Shanthi on March 03, 2008, 01:40:00 AM
Database doesn't seem to care about specially formatted English characters...no typing names on a japanese keyboard or anything, though, 'cause then it's not happy.
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Akilluh on March 04, 2008, 02:27:54 AM
I tend to call the Chinese, Japanese, Arabic, or any other language with a heck of alot of "weird" symbols in the written language, Advanced Special Characters.

It would be somewhat annoying to see a horse running around with small rectangles for a name. Oh the horror!
Title: Re: Naming Foals
Post by: Grace Littlef on March 07, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
there are also a lot of Egyptian names, i tend to use them a lot.  ;D