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Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 21, 2005, 02:52:52 AM
Hi guys,

I've been contemplating an incentive/bonus system for active members.  I would like to reward people who are consistently logging in, entering races, selling horses, buying horses, breeding horses, etc. (basically: being active :roll:)

I'm thinking something along the lines of...

You Get Points For Doing Stuff:
(see below for points breakdown)

Then You Redeem Points And Get Stuff:
1 Free Racehorse or Broodmare (from those owned by FF) = 500 points
1 Free Yearling (from those owned by FF) = 300 points
1 Free Weanling (from those owned by FF) = 100 points
$500 (FF money) = 50 points

Obviously it would take awhile to earn those things, and for the huge/highly active stables (*cough* Jase *cough*), it wouldn't be overly useful.  However, do you think it would be helpful to newbies/not-so-large stables?

I don't want to just hand out horses left and right, which is why I made the stuff so "expensive" point-wise.  However, I do want to reward active members....it's a rather delicate balance.

Anyway, what do you guys think?  Yay or nay?  Suggested changes to the point system?

[Note: Hopefully all of this would be automated, but it's a question of when I can get the time to set it up...September is supposedly going to be a very work-intensive month for me.   :|]

Edited to Add: Buying a horse, changed breeding a horse to breeding a mare, changed claiming from 1pt to 2pts

Edited again to add: Final/Official points breakdown, Link to points table

Official Points Breakdown
First Full Year of Playing:

100 - Participating for an entire year in the Color War
20 - Holding a private auction (Would require a minimum number of horses consigned, probably 10+)
10 - Selling a horse
6 - Buying a horse
6 - Breeding a mare
4 - Submit a claim for a horse (No horse purchase necessary ;))
2 - Entering a race meet (2pts point for the entire day's entries, not 2 per entry ;))

Second Year of Playing:
50 - Participating for an entire year in the Color War
10 - Holding a private auction (Would require a minimum number of horses consigned, probably 10+)
5 - Selling a horse
3 - Buying a horse
3 - Breeding a mare
2 - Submit a claim for a horse (No horse purchase necessary ;))
1 - Entering a race meet (1 point for the entire day's entries, not 1 per entry ;))

All Years After That:
50 - Participating for an entire year in the Color War
5 - Holding a private auction (Would require a minimum number of horses consigned, probably 10+)
2 - Selling a horse
1 - Buying a horse
1 - Breeding a mare
1 - Submit a claim for a horse (No horse purchase necessary ;))

I have automated all of the above except for holding auctions and participating in the Color War.  Everything else automatically updates your total points.

You can view a list of all the stables' points here (http://www.finalfurlong.org/activity.php).

I will work later on adding it to your stable overview page, etc.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: sange on August 21, 2005, 02:58:59 AM
Sounds like a good idea.  As you can see from some recent posts, new stables are always looking for a way to get ahead some how or get a new horse.  I think the point system is fair, as you don't want to hand out FF horses too much. I think alot of the newer stables will like this idea. :)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Roo on August 21, 2005, 03:06:11 AM
I personally think this is a great idea! lol
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Fleet Feet Thoroughbreds on August 21, 2005, 03:46:47 AM
Yes, that sounds like it would be great. :)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Nan on August 21, 2005, 04:48:17 AM
That sounds like a pretty cool idea, yeah. I don't know if you'd necessarily need to give newbies a 5x bonus...about the only thing I'd change if it was me would be to maybe make submitting a claim worth 2 points instead of 1 (since it depends on claimers being available, and thus one can't necessarily do it every racemeet). Perhaps make the system like the tax break that newbies get -- let it apply to your first year in Final Furlong, and that's it? And perhaps if you had points at the end of the year, you could cash them in for like $100 a point or something like that.

It's a neat idea, in any case. When you're starting out, every little thing helps. :)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 21, 2005, 05:23:48 AM
Older Members (or at least, non-brand new people):  Would this help you?  Would you even be able to use it?  (Re: Having enough open stalls to get free horses)

Obviously this is most attractive to newer members, who otherwise have a challenge in building up their stable.  But what about older members?  (Anyone who joined before 2008, feel free to weigh in!)
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Post by: Equestriana on August 21, 2005, 05:40:44 AM
Love the idea shanti, I'll never turn down a free horse  :wink: and if i'm going to be active anyways it would be a nice 'bonus' for that activity
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: jwstern on August 21, 2005, 05:42:33 AM
I think there are only 3 things there that benefit newer members (color war and entering a race and the claim one. I think a point for logging in might be good, because I think what we want are members who are constantly on the site or on the forum.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 21, 2005, 05:46:44 AM
I can't/won't do a point for logging in because that would enable some (albeit VERY bored) person to click Login/Logout all day long and get a free horse per day.  ;)

I could set it up so that it only gives you 1 point per day for logging in, or something, but really, what I want to do is reward people for DOING stuff in the game, not just logging in.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: CricketHill on August 21, 2005, 06:46:30 AM
At least for me, I'm not going to turn down a free horse.  However, that's not going to encourage me to put my horses up for sale or buy horses, just so that in the far distance future I can steal a pretty yearling or horse.  I'll sell and buy and breed and race as I see fit, gosh darnit!  It's not going to change my behavior patterns.  I doubt that it'll change others' as well.

I can see the incentive for newer players.  Though I don't know how effective this incentive plan thing will be.  Maybe try it on a trial basis and see how it goes?
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: hollyh1125 on August 21, 2005, 06:59:31 AM
I think it looks like a neat idea. :) Yeah I don't think it makes me want to go out of my way to do things but it would be really awesome to get points/rewards for the activity we already do. :)  I like it.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: JasonCameron on August 21, 2005, 10:14:23 AM
Good idea! However, I think it is easier for big stables and with a good selection of horses owned by Final Furlong, I think there is incentive for us. Personally for me it wouldn't take too long [relative to others] to get to 500 points to get a horse.

In an average year I would get the following:
50 Points - Color War
10 Points - Private Auction
100 Points - Selling Horses
50 Points - Buying Horses
150 Points - Breeding Mares
104 Points - Entering Race Days
TOTAL - 464 Points

Actually, now that I've done that, the only thing I really do different to anyone else would be breed more mares. Hmmm, perhaps ignore this then... :wink:

But yeah, regards to your questions about usefulness and stuff, absolutely, this is very cool. I just need to make sure I have room for free horsies!
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: SRFVirginia on August 21, 2005, 10:33:57 AM
I love this idea!  Like Kim said, I'll never turn down a free horse.  But I don't think I'll be changing my behavior, either.  I think it sounds great for newbies.

I think it would be a little weird for older stables, though.  Usually the established players are just that because they were/are active, and once you have a whole bunch of horses, it's not hard to participate a lot in the game.  I basically log in every day and enter horses every meeting, so I would be getting free stuff for nothing...not that I have a problem with that, but I can see how it may not work.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 21, 2005, 01:49:53 PM
Well, the point isn't necessarily to make people "change their behavior" (though if people can be more active and want to because of this incentive, that's cool, too).  It's more to reward active players, especially new members, so that as a "thank you" for being active, you get something cool, like a free horse.

I may set things up so that you get an initial bonus, and then a gradual decrease in the number of points you get for stuff.

i.e.
First Full Year of Playing:
100 - Participating for an entire year in the Color War
20 - Holding a private auction (Would require a minimum number of horses consigned, probably 10+)
10 - Selling a horse
10 - Buying a horse
6 - Breeding a mare
4 - Submit a claim for a horse (No horse purchase necessary ;))
2 - Entering a race meet (1 point for the entire day's entries, not 1 per entry ;))

Second Year of Playing:
50 - Participating for an entire year in the Color War
10 - Holding a private auction (Would require a minimum number of horses consigned, probably 10+)
5 - Selling a horse
5 - Buying a horse
3 - Breeding a mare
2 - Submit a claim for a horse (No horse purchase necessary ;))
1 - Entering a race meet (1 point for the entire day's entries, not 1 per entry ;))

All Years After That:
50 - Participating for an entire year in the Color War
5 - Holding a private auction (Would require a minimum number of horses consigned, probably 10+)
2 - Selling a horse
2 - Buying a horse
1 - Breeding a mare
1 - Submit a claim for a horse (No horse purchase necessary ;))

That way the larger stables wouldn't necessarily automatically be earning 1-2 free horses/year just because they're big enough to get that many points, but they could still earn points.  Likewise, the newer stables would get a bonus to earning points, because they don't have as many horses/opportunities to earn points.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Fleet Feet Thoroughbreds on August 21, 2005, 04:08:20 PM
Is there a page that explains what a Color War is?
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Roo on August 21, 2005, 04:18:15 PM
I dont think that you should sell a bunch of horses just to get a free one down the road. But if you were going to sell anyway it helps you toward getting another one that might be a better prospect.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 21, 2005, 05:39:00 PM
Quote from: Fleet Feet Thoroughbreds
Is there a page that explains what a Color War is?


Color War Challenge (http://www.finalfurlong.org/mb/index.php?c=8)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 21, 2005, 05:47:20 PM
I tweaked the point/reward system a bit, and added in automation (which was easier than I thought it'd be 8)).  Check the first post for links, etc.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Edgewood Stud on August 21, 2005, 06:00:47 PM
That is a really good idea. For the older members we kinda know how much time we need to spend on the barn and horses and etc.. which is a good idea for making it hard to earn the points. This is a over all awesome idea.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: hollyh1125 on August 21, 2005, 06:05:36 PM
Wow! That automation is great!  I can't even fathom doing something like that.  Shanthi you are a genius to me!  ;)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 21, 2005, 06:18:17 PM
Glad you guys like it.  :)  Give me a while to figure out how to automate redeeming points, and we'll be in business.   8)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Chris on August 21, 2005, 06:31:10 PM
Very nice. I almost always have a stall open for a new racer
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: KindleHopeFarms on August 21, 2005, 08:14:42 PM
Definitely a fabulous idea, Shanthi. Perfect for the newbies, and I too agree that I'll never turn down a free horse!
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: TLawrence on August 21, 2005, 09:06:12 PM
Nobody who's less than a few years old is going to have the ability to consign 10+ horses to a private auction, though.

Also...I /could/ see two very bored people selling the same horse back and forth for hours to get the points. I'd suggest putting in a check to avoid that sort of thing, if we can.

And rewarding for selling not buying, whilst it might get another horse or two up for sale...newbies aren't going to be selling horses. What worries me is that this could help the 'rich get richer'.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: JasonCameron on August 21, 2005, 09:10:31 PM
You can't do that with buying and selling because of the three month cap or three time usage limits. :)

I am pretty surprised that considering how active I've been I only landed 311 points.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 21, 2005, 09:37:08 PM
Quote from: TLawrence
Nobody who's less than a few years old is going to have the ability to consign 10+ horses to a private auction, though.


True, but if there's incentive to auction several horses at a time rather than just sell them off gradually over the course of a year, then there are more horses available to new members, in theory.

Quote
Also...I /could/ see two very bored people selling the same horse back and forth for hours to get the points. I'd suggest putting in a check to avoid that sort of thing, if we can.


As Jason said, this is taken care of with the 3-use/6-month waiting period for selling horses.

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And rewarding for selling not buying, whilst it might get another horse or two up for sale...newbies aren't going to be selling horses. What worries me is that this could help the 'rich get richer'.


Selling and buying are both rewarded...buying less so because most people buy many more horses than they sell.  (I did originally have it setup so that they got equal points, but then some stables had over 1,000 points, so I brought it down a bit.)

Also, no one says you have to redeem your points.  If you happen to have the stall space, then you can get an extra horse (assuming you have enough points, obviously).  Otherwise, you can just get a discount on a breeding, or some extra cash to help out with taxes and such.

Given that the rich are already pretty damn rich (Jase has earned over 20 million this year in race winnings alone), I'm not sure that adding this in is going to make rich stables any richer.  (I know I, for one, will likely be too lazy to redeem points for cash, though I may redeem them for free breedings or a new horse every few years.)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 21, 2005, 09:40:46 PM
Quote from: JasonCameron
I am pretty surprised that considering how active I've been I only landed 311 points.


That's because you only get 1/2 the normal points because you've been a member for longer than 2 years.  You get no points for entering races, which is how people are most active, and you only get 1 point for breeding mares, and so on.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: sange on August 21, 2005, 09:47:01 PM
As far as the rich getting richer, that's how it is in racing in real life too.  It's not coincidence that Stronach, Phipps, Paulson, etc. are consistently top earners.  Seems that it's the same here, with some dominating stables, and the rest in the chase. Obviously, Central Coast Lodge deserves to be a top earner every year. I don't think that the activity incentives will put the dominating stables at any more of an advantage.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Andrea on August 21, 2005, 10:54:29 PM
Even though he annoys us sometimes, neither Shanthi or I are about to complain about Jase making money.  How he finds time for a life is beyond me.  ;)

But if you consider Stillwater and Storybook to be two of the "bigger" stables and look at point totals, you'll see that we're not really very high on the list.  Holly has like 4x as many points as I do because of the newbie rule.  So basically this'll help people out when they're getting started and become fairly unused as you get bigger.  One broodmare every 2 years isn't much of a size boost, and it's one I'm not likely to use because I have mares I want to keep for breeding.  Same with yearlings and weanlings, I barely have time/space for the ones I bred!
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: JasonCameron on August 21, 2005, 11:03:49 PM
I agree with Andrea. Looking over things and how you get the free horse, I probably won't bother redeeming my points either. Maybe for the money just to get rid of them, but I'm doubtful I want to try my luck with random horses when I have a stable full of mostly proven bloodlines. :)

This is a great feature for newbies actually so take advantage of it guys! :)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: on August 22, 2005, 12:05:39 AM
I LOVE this idea it will most likely help me out alot. Though I don't think that I'd ever sell a new horse. Hmm, if I have a ton of horses and I could get one through FF then maybe I'd give a somewhat consisten horse to a newbie. ( Like me now, but I mean later..) :wink:
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Andrea on August 22, 2005, 12:08:37 AM
Erm, this isn't supposed to be "get random horses from FF to hand out to new players" idea ;).  It's to reward active new players, like yourself, with horses to use to enlarge your stable.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: on August 22, 2005, 12:14:07 AM
I meant, take the random FF horse keep it, and then give one of my horses that wasn't performing well for me. And then I'd give that horse to a newer player.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: hollyh1125 on August 22, 2005, 12:56:39 AM
So the horses from FF are chosen randomly or do we put in a request for one?  I have a few in mind but what are the guidelines to choosing a new horse?
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 22, 2005, 01:11:58 AM
Once I get it setup, what I have in mind is for members to select the age/gender/type of horse (baby, racer, or broodmare), and then FF will create a random new horse that is unrelated to other horses in the game.  

This horse would have all its stats randomly generated, so it's hit or miss as to whether it'd be any good, but that also eliminates the need for me to hand out horses by hand, or for people to try and find a horse that's good enough to get but not so good that it's ineligible to be a reward horse (like Twilight Embers, Jase...sheesh.)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: on August 22, 2005, 01:36:33 AM
I like the idea of it createing a new horse and giving it out. It brings a bit of mysterty to how good that "free" horse would be.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: hollyh1125 on August 22, 2005, 01:47:07 AM
yeah i like that idea too. :)  Great!
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: spudly on August 22, 2005, 02:36:08 AM
Just a quick one. You have stated you get 4 points when submitting a claim. Is that when you enter a horse in a claimer, or when you put in a claim in race?? If it's when you claim a horse, then I claimed Time For Power  on 15th July. I know it's only 4 points, but hey, every point counts
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 22, 2005, 02:41:33 AM
I didn't do past points for claiming because the only record I have is of who actually successfully claimed a horse, not who submitted claims.

Claiming points, auction points, and color war points will all be done from this point forward, but not prorated in the past.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: spudly on August 22, 2005, 04:04:08 AM
Ok, no problems. :)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: ashlee118 on August 22, 2005, 12:48:56 PM
What about something like 1 point for each race meeting(25 races) that you handicap for???
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 22, 2005, 01:07:10 PM
I may put that into place eventually, but right now, I have no automatic way to track who does handicapping.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Cheq on August 22, 2005, 04:30:13 PM
So I have a "Jason question" :lol:  What studs are available for the free breeding? Bold Ruler, Secretariat, Seattle Slew?

Jason why cash the points for money? cash the points for horses and put them up for sale to the new people. You get your money they get a shot at more horses.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 22, 2005, 04:42:40 PM
Quote from: Cheq
So I have a "Jason question" :lol:  What studs are available for the free breeding? Bold Ruler, Secretariat, Seattle Slew?


No, that'd be a bit much.  ;)

Given that 10 points = $100 FF, and 50 points = a free breeding, technically the free breeding should be worth roughly $500.

However, since that's dirt cheap, I will probably set it up so that the free breeding is applicable to any FF-owned stud whose fee is $5,000 or less.  (Which is basically all the non-famous ones.)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Cheq on August 22, 2005, 07:17:49 PM
It all sounds good :D

When your ready I am just to see how this works I'll redeem some of my points for a 3yo - F/M - racer.

Nothing ventured nothing gained :wink:
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: on August 22, 2005, 08:04:45 PM
great idea thanks!
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: spudly on August 23, 2005, 11:25:37 PM
I think I may have found a gremlin in the activity table. I purchased a horse from Windward Farms yesterday but shows up on my table as 1 point for selling a horse!  I don't know how it shows up on Paul's activity table. whether as a purchase or a sale.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Cheq on August 24, 2005, 12:40:40 AM
It shows as a sale on mine Steve
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Morning Star Farms on August 24, 2005, 08:16:02 AM
I also made a purchase, that shows as a sale.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: sange on August 24, 2005, 08:43:11 AM
I made a sale through a claim and it does not list any points.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 24, 2005, 11:54:28 AM
You only get credit for submitting claims, not having horses claimed from you.  That gets you credit for entering a race, which is all you did.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: sange on August 24, 2005, 06:44:20 PM
Oh, ok no problem. I was thinking any sale, thanks for the clarification. :D
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 24, 2005, 06:51:09 PM
Any sale except claims.  :)  The only bonus you get from putting your horse into a claiming race is the check for the claiming price.  ;)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: on August 24, 2005, 09:27:51 PM
I have a question, does the entering race points suddenly pop up after the entries close?
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 24, 2005, 09:40:55 PM
No, once you enter races for a new day it should give you points.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: sange on August 28, 2005, 02:36:54 AM
I haven't received any points for 8/24 & 8/27 for entries. Also, I have purchased two horses and it is coming up as selling horses.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Cheq on August 28, 2005, 03:55:11 PM
I just checked and mine doesn't show points for the 24th or 27th either.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 28, 2005, 05:30:25 PM
Race entry points should now be working.

I still have no idea what's going on with the sales/purchases thing...I've sold 2 horses and bought 1 this week and all 3 transactions show up correctly for my stable.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Cheq on August 28, 2005, 06:35:01 PM
Just checked mine my last sale shows up correctly. However there are no points for races on the 24th and 27th :shock:  just thought you'd want to know :wink:
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 28, 2005, 06:55:25 PM
I know, and I'm not going to go back and retroactively give people the 2 or 4 points that they should've gotten for entering races.  Sorry, guys, but if you want revamped race code on time, I have to prioritize.   :twisted:
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Cheq on August 28, 2005, 07:03:17 PM
Not worried about the points just thought you might want to know :wink:
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on August 29, 2005, 03:19:35 AM
Selling & buying horses should be fixed now. At least, it worked for the random retired geldings Andrea sold me.  ;)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: hollyh1125 on September 12, 2005, 02:04:48 PM
Does buying a horse from an auction qualify for points?

Also, a suggestion to get more points could be cosigning horses to auctions whether it be the Select, foal, mixed, or 2yo.  Just a thought. :)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on September 12, 2005, 03:34:22 PM
I hadn't set up auctions to count as buying/selling, but I suppose I could for the future.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: hollyh1125 on September 12, 2005, 07:13:55 PM
Oh, cool. :)  That would be awesome. I just didn't know if it counted or not.  Thanx Shanthi. ;)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: hollyh1125 on September 14, 2005, 01:39:30 PM
Quick question...:)

So basically you would get more points by just selling the horses individually instead of holding an auction.  The way it's set up now if you have an auction with 10 horses you get 5 points, .5 points per horse, but if we were to sell them each by themselves we would get 10 points, 1 point per horse.  Was this to encourage less acutions and more selling outright? Just wondering. :)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on September 14, 2005, 05:08:45 PM
Not really...my goal with private auctions is that they not get out of hand.  i.e. I don't want a stable creating an "auction" to sell 1 horse, nor do I want a stable to create an auction every week to get rid of stock.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: hollyh1125 on September 14, 2005, 08:52:46 PM
Ah, I see. :) Thanx for the clarification. ;)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: North Oak Farms on September 16, 2005, 02:59:48 AM
Well I definitely feel motivated to get active again!
And I finally renewed my name on here after it accidentally got deleted last year (cuz I wasn't posting as much as I should have been)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: ronda figal on September 17, 2005, 04:31:49 AM
how very cool i  ALWAYS have room for a new horse, EXPECIALLY from new lines...
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: ashlee118 on September 25, 2005, 02:31:26 AM
i know it was mentioned before about not getting any points for entering races, because i havent received any for september racing, and i was just wondering if you still received points for it?
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Markos on September 25, 2005, 10:12:10 AM
i think its good idea  :lol:
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: ashlee118 on October 19, 2005, 08:09:15 AM
Just a quick question how do we redem our points do we post on this link or PM you with points and what we want??
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on October 19, 2005, 12:21:28 PM
If you read this thread, you'll notice that I have said a few times that redeeming isn't set up yet.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Sarah on December 07, 2005, 09:55:49 PM
I might have missed something, but at this point I have not been recieving any points for entering races (or anything else).  Not a big deal, just wanted to let you know.
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: JasonCameron on December 07, 2005, 09:59:21 PM
Yeah the code is being a bit buggy at the moment. Shanthi will get around to it when she can, more important things on at the moment! :)
Title: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Sarah on December 07, 2005, 10:12:09 PM
Yup, I figured.  As I said, no biggie!
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on September 04, 2006, 03:54:33 AM
Activity Point redeeming now works.  :)
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Fleet Feet Thoroughbreds on September 04, 2006, 04:21:13 AM
That's awesome.   ;D

*bows down to almighty Shanthi*

Thanks!!
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Roo on September 04, 2006, 02:23:33 PM
Yeah! Does this mean that it tallies correctly too?
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on September 04, 2006, 02:24:50 PM
It should.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Roo on September 04, 2006, 02:46:42 PM
Even cooler! Thats Great!
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on September 04, 2006, 03:56:32 PM
Note: Current activity points are likely incorrect.  I don't care.  :P  If you do something (buy/sell a horse, enter a race, etc) in the future and don't get the appropriate points, let me know.  But I'm not going to spend hours fixing old points.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Sarah on September 06, 2006, 12:30:46 PM
Well I entered a bunch of races last night and it didn't seem to do anything to my points.  I'm assuming that's a bug.  Or maybe I'm missing something?
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on September 06, 2006, 12:56:14 PM
Well I entered a bunch of races last night and it didn't seem to do anything to my points.  I'm assuming that's a bug.  Or maybe I'm missing something?

You have been in the game more than 2 years, therefore you don't get points for entering races anymore.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on September 06, 2006, 01:08:51 PM
Also, I have purchased two horses and it is coming up as selling horses.

This bug has been (re-)fixed.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Fleet Feet Thoroughbreds on September 06, 2006, 07:55:35 PM
The last points I recieved for entering races was on 2009-08-09. I know you're not fixing anything in the past, this is just for reference.

The last horse I entered who ran was Ricohet on 8/30 and didn't recieve any points for that. I've been in the game for under 2 years so I think I should still be recieving points for entering races.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Amy Livingston on September 07, 2006, 12:27:28 AM
Also, I have purchased two horses and it is coming up as selling horses.

This bug has been (re-)fixed.

The same thing is happening to me. I bought four horses and I have points for selling. Also, I've entered horses in 5 races since I've been here and have 2 more racing today.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on September 07, 2006, 02:05:24 AM
The same thing is happening to me. I bought four horses and I have points for selling. Also, I've entered horses in 5 races since I've been here and have 2 more racing today.

That's because you bought the horses before I re-fixed the bug.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Amy Livingston on September 07, 2006, 02:11:15 AM
Okay. So it will remain wrong?
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on September 07, 2006, 02:18:52 AM
Note: Current activity points are likely incorrect.  I don't care.  :P  If you do something (buy/sell a horse, enter a race, etc) in the future and don't get the appropriate points, let me know.  But I'm not going to spend hours fixing old points.

READ THE THREAD BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Sarah on September 07, 2006, 02:19:59 AM
Well I entered a bunch of races last night and it didn't seem to do anything to my points.  I'm assuming that's a bug.  Or maybe I'm missing something?

You have been in the game more than 2 years, therefore you don't get points for entering races anymore.

Ah, sorry about that.  I'm sure I read that at one point, it just slipped my mind.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on September 07, 2006, 02:20:25 AM
No prob.  Points breakdown is in the FAQ, and on page 1 of this thread.  :)
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Nan on September 07, 2006, 02:34:41 AM
Basically, all the points that everyone has accumulated up to now has some margin of error to it. Those totals will stand, however. Please understand that with revamping the race code and adding all the cool searchable goodies and other updates to FF, making sure everybody's gotten the right amount of points for their transactions has been a pretty low priority. From now on, though, the totals should be fine.

It's not wrong to report errors in the code so Shanthi can fix them...but in this case she just doesn't have the time to go back, research however many points people are supposed to have, and update them. Please, guys, let it go. :) In the long run we'll all earn points aplenty to get our own custom-designed ponies, I am sure. :)

Edited to add: Whoops, thought I was replying at another point in the thread...not trying to beat a dead subject or anything, truly. ;)
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on September 07, 2006, 02:38:12 AM
Thank you for putting that so coherently (and politely!), Nan.  :)  It's been a long day and I'm physically (and mentally) exhausted. ;)  Off to bed I go...
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Freedom on September 16, 2006, 06:08:13 PM
If find watching the activity points amusing.  :D  Since I have 6 points for entering races (true, but not the right number  ;)) and 6 for selling horses (I've only bought a horse). I've read a billion posts about people reporting this; I'm not reporting. I just find it amusing.  ;D
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: BlueWolf on December 01, 2006, 04:14:51 PM
When you redeem your points, how long should it take before you receive the new horse?  ??? I redeemed some points over 2 maybe 3 weeks ago and nothing yet.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on December 01, 2006, 04:36:59 PM
It should be immediate...it should say "Redeeming your horse" (or Creating your horse, or something), and then refresh the page to show a link to your horse.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: BlueWolf on December 01, 2006, 05:12:20 PM
It should be immediate...it should say "Redeeming your horse" (or Creating your horse, or something), and then refresh the page to show a link to your horse.

I got the Creating your horse part, but then it never refreshed and never showed up with a link to my horse.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on December 01, 2006, 05:24:20 PM
What browser/operating system are you using?
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: BlueWolf on December 01, 2006, 05:25:55 PM
Safari at home and Firefox at work - I redeemed the points at work
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on December 01, 2006, 06:45:54 PM
It probably has to do with the settings you chose.  PM me with what horse option(s) you wanted and I'll create the horse for you.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: BlueWolf on December 01, 2006, 08:09:44 PM
Thank you Shanthi :) I'll PM you later tonight. Running to the barn to get some snow pictures! We got about 6-12 inches here in Chicago
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: CascadeJade on December 01, 2006, 08:58:57 PM
Man, I remember when snow got me excited, even the thought of it! Now I'm up here in Alaska and the snow fell in early October and hasn't left since. It's still pretty though, just not as cool as I once thought it was. lol

Everyone in the midwest have fun with the snow and for those of you still in school I wish you the best of luck for a snow day or two in school next week! ;)
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Freedom on December 04, 2006, 10:23:09 PM
Man, I remember when snow got me excited, even the thought of it! Now I'm up here in Alaska and the snow fell in early October and hasn't left since. It's still pretty though, just not as cool as I once thought it was. lol

Everyone in the midwest have fun with the snow and for those of you still in school I wish you the best of luck for a snow day or two in school next week! ;)

Us Ohio kids are waiting for the snow to actually stick. Well, I guess I lied, because some of Ohio is having some good lake effect snow, but where I am, all we have is sprinkles.  Put a spoon under your pillow, wear your pajamas backwards and inside out.. or whatever those myths say.   ;D

Heehee. I can't wait for the snow, but I can certainly wait for the cold. Burrr. The wind chill today was about 6 degrees. And at my school was have a disconnected annex.. it was cooold to walk between the buildings!  :P

Anyway, sorry I'm rambling about irrevelant things on this post.  ;)
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Zurg on July 28, 2007, 03:45:28 AM
As a newbie I like it  :P
I think that it would help..not for me though..I log in more than once a day.. :P
So far I like the sim..very realistic.. :)
Title: Re: Activity Points
Post by: Starfish on November 08, 2007, 08:31:47 PM
Have the activity points changed recently?  I have bought horses in the past and received 6 points for each one, however, I bought a horse on Nov 1st and another one today and only received 1 point for each of them.

In addition, on Oct 8th, I sold three horses but only received 5 points for each of them.  Shouldn't I have received 10 for each of them?

I am a newbie but am still in my first year.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: ivycreekfarm on November 11, 2007, 12:38:35 AM
It's not just you:
I joined in February, so I should still have the new member point system.
I just bought a horse today, though, and received either 0 or 2 points for it (I know my total points were at 78 recently, last night I believe, and I know I entered a horse to race on 10/17 this morning, which would explain the 2 points).
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Starfish on June 30, 2008, 04:46:34 PM
I have a question about Activity Points because I have just celebrated my 1st year anniversary in FF and only got 1 point for race Entries instead of the 2 I had been getting before this. I was curious to find out what other point changes would go into effect because I am now in my second year, and found this post from Shanthi from all the way back in August 21, 2005:-

Quote
First Full Year of Playing:
100 - Participating for an entire year in the Color War
20 - Holding a private auction (Would require a minimum number of horses consigned, probably 10+)
10 - Selling a horse
10 - Buying a horse
6 - Breeding a mare
4 - Submit a claim for a horse (No horse purchase necessary)
2 - Entering a race meet (1 point for the entire day's entries, not 1 per entry)

Second Year of Playing:
50 - Participating for an entire year in the Color War
10 - Holding a private auction (Would require a minimum number of horses consigned, probably 10+)
5 - Selling a horse
5 - Buying a horse
3 - Breeding a mare
2 - Submit a claim for a horse (No horse purchase necessary)
1 - Entering a race meet (1 point for the entire day's entries, not 1 per entry)

All Years After That:
50 - Participating for an entire year in the Color War
5 - Holding a private auction (Would require a minimum number of horses consigned, probably 10+)
2 - Selling a horse
2 - Buying a horse
1 - Breeding a mare
1 - Submit a claim for a horse (No horse purchase necessary)

Are these still the current Activity Points, and, if not, what changes have been made?

In addition, how does the Color War allocation go? This is my first year in Color War as I joined FF in June last year and didn't find out about it until too late to be "supplemented" in. Assuming that I continue to participate in Color War right throughout the year, would I get 100 points because I was in my first year of playing FF when this years Color War started, 50 points because I was in my second year of playing FF when this years CW finished, or would it be prorated? All the other categories are self-explanatory because the points are allocated instantaneously so would be determined by your length of participation in FF at the time but I am curious about the Color War points.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Brenda on July 02, 2008, 09:25:09 PM
I too am curious about CW points.  I joined Nov 2006(2010 race yr) and participated a full yr(2011 race yr) and only received 50 pts.
My daughter Kayleigh(Candi Cane) played CW also but came in when the "extras" were added and she received 25pts.

Shouldn't it have been 100pts for myself and 50pts for KayLeigh?

I also used to get points for buying horses in auctions and now get none.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Starfish on July 13, 2008, 12:48:12 PM
Shanthi,

I just bought Hollywood Royalty at the 2012 Mixed Auction that is going on right now. I only got 3 points for buying him, whereas, from what I have read (see my previous post), I think that I should have received 5 points. What is correct?

In addition, when you view m Activity Points, the description says "Submitted Claim".

BTW, I did submit a claim for a horse in yesterday's Claiming Race, and, whereas I got the correct number of points for it, the Description is blank. I remember that this had been brought up before but thought that you had fixed it or was it that you were trying to figure out how to fix it?

Anyway, could you please look into why I didn't get the number of points I think I should have and, if possible, adjut my points (assuming that I am correct)?

Thanks.

Lewis
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Andy on July 14, 2008, 06:39:16 AM
I just checked my activity points, the majority aren't for my stable  :o yet most of my activity doesn't show up  ???

First time I'd ever checked it so I would say there is a bug in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on July 14, 2008, 03:30:12 PM
Buying a horse is worth 1/3/6 points, not 2/5/10.  Selling happens less often, so it's worth more.

Andy, the stuff you mentioned is a known bug and will not be fixed anytime soon.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Starfish on July 15, 2008, 12:40:04 PM
Shanthi,

There have obviously been changes to the Activity Points system since the start. As I said in my earlier post, the only full list of Points I could find dates all the way back to August 2005. Could you please either re-post the current values, or point us to where there is a more current list of points. This way, people will be able to check what they should be getting and not have to bother you so often.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on July 15, 2008, 12:56:51 PM
If you look at the FAQ, it has all the correct values (except the CW 100pts thing, which I noted above needs to change).
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Starfish on July 15, 2008, 01:51:11 PM
Ah, so that's where it was. I never thought about checking the FAQ (the most obvious place to check!!!).

Thanks.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Starfish on July 17, 2008, 12:56:56 PM
Shanthi,

Sorry to bother you again, but could you please check my recent activity points? I seem to have 6 points more than I calculate that I should have.

When I view my Activity tracker, the last three transactions that it shows are all "Submitted Claims", two dated 7/13 and one dated 7/16. As you know, "Submitted Claim" is the description that it uses for horses bought either at Sale or from Auction. On 7/13, I won Hollywood Royalty at the Auction and also "won" Major's Flight at the Auction (although MF's auction was cancelled because there was a bug in the Auction Software and it wasn't checking that people weren't bidding more than the Auction maximum.

It looks like I got 3 points for "winning" MF on 7/13, but that, instead of deleting those points when his Auction was cancelled, the software actually added three more points.

I'm not complaining that I've got extra points, especially as there have been times in the past when I should have had points for something and either didn't get them or didn't get as many as I should have.

I just wanted to let you know about this possible bug so you can check it out at your leisure. Also, as I am close to the 300 points that I would need to redeem a yearling, I don't want to get 3 more points, which, (according to the Tracker) is all I would need, redeem the yearling, then have it taken away when you correct the problem.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on July 17, 2008, 02:21:07 PM
I really don't care that much about activity points to take away 3 points.  The reason you didn't lose them when the sale on MF was canceled was because I did that by hand, and I didn't go in and delete the activity points entry.

Really, I view activity points as a "bonus" item...i.e. if you get them, awesome, and if you don't, it's not going to completely ruin the game.  I want to fix the various bugs associated with them at some point, but it's a pretty low priority.
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Canuck on December 22, 2008, 12:26:33 PM
Excellant idea...being a new stable
I plan to be very active...once I get the flow of things

John

 :)
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Starfish on May 24, 2011, 04:28:22 PM
Shanthi,

I have a suggestion for the Activity Points system, although I don't know how easy it would be to code.

I have noticed that, since you changed the code to show the Pedigree for all created horses as CREATED x CREATED , many Stables, myself included, have been selling off their created horses. I don't know if you have had many people redeeming their Activity Points since then, knowing that they will get a created horse.

If, instead of you having to created a new horse, maybe we could "Claim" an already existing Final Furlong owned horse. You could put certain conditions on which horses would be available to be "Claimed", say, for Broodmares, none with a ranking above Bronze; for Racehorses, none which has won more than 1 race, no SW's and none whose sire and dam are ranked higher than Bronze, and for Yearlings and Foals, none whose sire and dam are ranked higher than Bronze.

You could also use this when assigning horses for a new Stable. This would eliminate the need for you to have to create new horses.

If I remember back earlier this year, when you were awarding horses for Color War, we were able to choose already existing FF horses, so this would kind of be an extension of that.

I would be willing to look through the FF owned horses and prepare a list of which horses fill the above conditions (or any other conditions you might want to include). Perhaps you could add a field to horses records, something like "Available to be Claimed" and then use this field when selecting FF horses to "fill" Claiming races, as well as stipulating which horses can be given out for Activity Point redemption as well as Color War award horses.

BTW - Another idea for Color War, if and when you ever decide to run it again. Instead of you having to create new horses for the stables, each team member would lease one or two horses (based on the size of their particular Stable) to their CW Stable, with certain conditions attached (e.g. like above, not more than 1 win and no SW's), and at the end of the Color War year, the horses would all revert back to their previous owner. As with a lease, any purse money earned during that time would go to the CW Stable. You could still have the CW Stables set up with 2 2YO's, 2 3YO's and 2 4YO's. All that would happen is that each member would set up a lease, ending on Dec 31st, to their Color War Stable and then somebody, either yourself or the Team Co-Captains, would select one 2YO colt, one 2YO filly, etc. from the horses available, with the condition that they can't take more than one horse from each leasing Stable. In the case of newer Stables who only have 2 or 3 horses, they would be exempt from having to lease out horses to their CW Team (maybe do it so that a Stable which has 11-25 active racehorses would only lease out one horse and Stables with more than 25 active racehorses would lease out two horses).

{I know that this last idea should really be in the "Color War" section, but, as it is sort of related to the initial topic, I included it here.}
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Shanthi on May 24, 2011, 05:25:12 PM
I'm pretty much planning to scrap Activity Points entirely in the rewrite. So that will solve that issue. (I'm open to suggestions for a replacement system, but I think really, if you're active, your stable will get bigger and you'll be more successful anyway, so you don't really need more incentive. Conversely, if you're not that into the game, getting points won't help you much.)

I do like the idea of flagging low-level horses for new members/claiming races rather than creating randomly generated ones - I may see if I can work that into the rewrite.

Not sure on the CW suggestions - planning to overhaul that as well. ;)
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Starfish on May 24, 2011, 06:02:48 PM
That's fine about the Activity Points. I found that they were only really helpful in my first year. Maybe you could keep it just for Stables in their first year and, instead of redeeming points for horses, just have them redeem them for FF$ (say $10 per point). That will help new Stables build up their cash reserves a little quicker so they can buy more horses and you wouldn't have to worry about creating new horses. Actually, if you adopt this suggestion, you might as well just give them Activity FF$, so, instead of getting 2 points for entering a horse in a race meet, they would get $20, unless you do it on a sliding scale so they get more FF$ per point if they redeem more points at a time (eg if they redeem 1-25 points they get $10 per point, if they redeem 26-50 points, they get $20 per point, etc).

Anyway, I won't lose any sleep if you did away with Activity Points completely.

BTW - On a different note, did you realize that you have a FF horse that has no name. It is a created 3YO filly and is having her second race in Race 47 tomorrow (she won her first race).
Title: Re: Activity Incentive?
Post by: Hilda with Clicker on May 24, 2011, 07:00:24 PM
For me the idea of creating a horse with custom color and markings is a thrill :) although not very realistic (unlike the rest of the game). I already have my first created - a weanling colt Lovemark (http://www.finalfurlong.org/viewhorse.php?horse=22674) and I would be happy to spend all my activity points on this ;)