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« on: August 16, 2005, 11:11:54 PM »

I now present...(drumroll)...Shipping Times & Costs Table.

I was working today to make it extra-smart and cool so that if you select a starting/ending track combination that has no route (i.e. Aqueduct->Australia), it would "build" a route for you by figuring out that you'd ship from Aqueduct->Santa Anita->Australia, or Aqueduct->England->Australia.  However, my brain is tired and the logic of trying to do that has utterly failed me, so that will have to wait for a revamp of this page.  (Besides, when have I ever created something new that didn't immediately require a revamp?  :roll: ;))

Anyway, enjoy.  :)

(Try not to go into too much shock, Jase :P  No one's forcing you to stable your horse in Australia.)
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2005, 11:33:46 PM »

Wowza!  :wink:
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2005, 11:51:22 PM »

Very nice Shanthi  :lol:
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2005, 11:51:26 PM »

Whoa, *very* cool. It'll be very helpful in planning ahead for races.

I'm just glad we have the option of shipping over land, too (to most places, that is ;) ).

As far as travel times go, will there be a deadline for a horse to arrive at a certain track in time for a race? Like, if I'm shipping a horse from Aqueduct to race at Woodbine, and the race is on the 17th, would the horse have arrive there by the 16th in order to make it? (And, yeah, I know it's not that good an idea to ship a horse in at the last minute and make him race the next day. ;) )

Just curious. ;) This is certainly going to make things a lot more strategic and detailed. :)
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2005, 11:59:22 PM »

Yes, horses will need to arrive at least 1 day before the race.

The factors that AREN'T shown on that page are how much energy & fitness your horse will lose by shipping.  ('Cause, you know, that'd be a bit too easy.  ;))

Air travel generally takes less time, but also takes more energy/fitness out of your horse.  Road travel, by contrast, is a bit easier physically/mentally on your horse, so they lose less energy/fitness.

You'll need to plan for the horse to have time to regain energy as well as train to regain fitness after arriving at a track.

Oh, and the justification for energy/fitness loss is:
Energy - the horse spends a lot of energy due to stress, fretting, disrupted diet, etc. from travel
Fitness - the horse spends a lot of time sitting around not moving ;)
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2005, 12:22:49 AM »

So do we have to nominate a home track. So that a horse travels from home to a track and return?? Or does a horse race one week at a track and then travel on to the next track and so on??
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2005, 12:30:52 AM »

You will dsignate a track to live near.

Your horses will stay/live at a certain location until moved to a new location.  All new 2yos will start out at the farm until moved to a track.

The advantage to having your horse at a farm is that your horse will regain energy/natural energy quickly (compared to the track, anyway).  No training will be allowed when at your farm, though.
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2005, 01:29:59 AM »

So would we have to write in our little description box where we're located?
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2005, 01:54:24 AM »

No, you would select your location, which would be stored in the database.

(Though if your description says your stable is based in, say, NY, it'd keep with realism to pick a track in NY rather than on in England or CA. ;))
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2005, 01:27:24 PM »

One, when is this going to be implemented?

Two, it strikes me...although feel free to disagree...as if this is going to hit the new player with only one horse a lot harder than it will the experienced/established stables. Might it be possible to nudge starting money up a little to compensate?

Don't get me wrong, this is way cool, but it's also another expense to worry about ;-).
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2005, 01:29:56 PM »

Yeah, I'll probably be doing some analysis on some horses to see how much it would cost to actually race a horse through some of the campaigns our horses have done, to see if the current starting money will be sufficient.

All the shipping stuff will go into effect once the race revamp does, which is estimated as being 1/1/2010.
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2005, 03:25:38 PM »

We're also hoping to add in more Allowance class races, which will make campaigning a horse at one track much easier.  After all, most horses only move tracks when the racing season at that track closes.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2005, 07:48:02 PM »

I have played a game with shipping costs, and it definately restricted movement of horses for players with less money, and there were only entry fees for geaded stakes races. So here I definately feel this will hit the smaller stables harder. Adding races will be a big help at keeping costs down. I have one question say Arlington is my home track. I ship my horse from Arlington to Churchill Downs. His next race is in Aqueduct is he shipped from Churchill Downs or is he shipped from my home track Arlington.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2005, 07:52:23 PM »

He is shipped from wherever he is.  If you race him at Churchill and don't ship him anywhere else, he'll stay at Churchill until you move him to Aqueduct.  If you move him back to your farm (for rest or something), then he will ship out from Arlington the next time you move him.

Horses stay in one place until they're moved somewhere...I probably could set it up so that they could "run away from home", but I think that'd be going a bit too far on the realism (or a bit too far into fantasyland, take your pick).

The only exception to this is that, upon retirement, horses will be shipped back to your farm automatically and at no cost.
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2005, 08:17:53 PM »

So I expect with training implemented there will be more time between races for horses. So when will we be able to choose to ship a horse from one track to the next, and if there is enough time between thr arrival date and the race will it reduce or eliminate the negative effects of shipping? As you can tell I know very little about horses :oops:  :P
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2005, 08:20:58 PM »

Yes, if you allow enough time after shipping for your horse to chill out and relax (as much as possible while on a racetrack), then his energy will recover post-shipping.  Likewise, if you allow even more time to add in some training (which, of course, will use up his energy ;)), then his fitness will go back as well.

Keep in mind that energy/fitness loss is also relative...flying your horse from NY to Japan for a race will take a lot more energy than driving your horse from NY to IL for a race.
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2005, 07:33:03 AM »

Quote from: Shanthi
(Try not to go into too much shock, Jase :P  No one's forcing you to stable your horse in Australia.)


What does this mean? I think my current fever has fried my brain. My legs are sore, my back is sore, my eyes are sore... :cry:

Anyway, I love this! This is totally cool! My horses will pretty much stay in Aussie and then do shipping over to Dubai, England and maybe the USA, but y'all know how I feel about the racing over there... Hehehe, jokes guys! :wink:
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2005, 01:32:34 PM »

It means that you will have the largest shipping costs, Jase.  Stables in the US will only have to ship horses over to Aus/England/etc as desired, but you'll have to ship basically everywhere, especially for your jumpers.  ;)  And shipping to/from Australia is pricey.
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2005, 07:05:42 PM »

I can counter this by basically having my jumpers over in the USA and England only right? And, any dirt horses can basically stay in the USA? Will it cost me any more to have [in theory] a couple of stable set up around the 'world'?
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2005, 07:11:56 PM »

Yes, but all horses will need to return to the farm at some point to regain natural energy.

And yes, if/when stable divisions are setup, it will cost a bundle to "set up shop" in another location.  ;)
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2005, 09:57:14 PM »

Wow cool, this is exciting. Stable divisions... Cooooool... :)
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2005, 10:29:16 PM »

Key word for stable divisions being if.  :P
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2005, 11:16:46 PM »

Haha, I chose to take more notice of the when... :P Either way, I think the shipping is going to make Final Furlong a lot more realistic. It'll also make it kinda cool when say the champion racers of Australia, England and the USA all have a meeting annually at say Dubai... Very interesting... ;)
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2005, 12:37:48 AM »

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Haha, I chose to take more notice of the when... :P Either way, I think the shipping is going to make Final Furlong a lot more realistic. It'll also make it kinda cool when say the champion racers of Australia, England and the USA all have a meeting annually at say Dubai... Very interesting... ;)


I am interested to see how it ends up working, but I have a fear it will make it somewhat less realistic for non-champion horses. Reason being, that with only 25 races split over multiple geographies, it will be hard to find a good "fit" for your horse without incurring travel costs. So my horse that runs allowance sprints may have to travel quite a bit to run with any regularity, whereas normally, it would be able to stay at one track for a whole racing session.
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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2005, 12:52:19 AM »

Ideally, assuming the revamped race code is stable/well-behaved (:roll:), I would like to have 100 races per week instead of 50.  All of the additional races would be allowance level or lower, which would allow horses to stay at one track longer.
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« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2005, 12:53:03 AM »

Also, you can use training to keep up a horse's fitness if waiting for a race in the future, so if you don't want to spend the money to ship your horse elsewhere for a month, you can spend the time training the horse instead.
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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2005, 05:33:48 AM »

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Ideally, assuming the revamped race code is stable/well-behaved (:roll:), I would like to have 100 races per week instead of 50.  All of the additional races would be allowance level or lower, which would allow horses to stay at one track longer.


Great, that will make a huge difference.
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2006, 05:53:23 PM »

Does your whole racing string have to be at one track or can you have a few here a few there a few overseas, etc??
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2006, 07:03:38 PM »

No, horses can be at different tracks.
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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2006, 01:30:45 AM »

Oh yay!!! Thanks for the quick response Shanthi!! This make planning future races a LOT easier!!! Thanks Again!
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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2006, 01:14:54 AM »

WOW... It's realy great and will make FF that much more realistic. I love this site and what you people are doing to make it even better. :) I'm glad Santa Anita is here. ;) That's the closest to me.
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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2006, 06:30:27 AM »

Hey Shanthi, it sounds great, and yes, it will kill smaller stables (like me) but flying horses isn't cheap, I've done it before, not alot of fun.

I do have a question though. How will shipping be affected by the restrictive quarrentine in Australia? Or is that a RL attribute we won't be added to FF in the future? I'm sure Jase could fill you in on the whole quarrentine thing in Aussie, I know it threw a wrench into equestrian preps for the 2000 Sydney Olympics. But then again, I'm not that familiar with Australian importation regulations so it may not apply and this is a wasted post.

Anyway, just thought I'd ask.
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2006, 12:47:22 PM »

Quarantine won't be an issue in FF, as horses don't get sick.  ;)
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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2006, 05:08:04 PM »

Are you sure, I think some of mine are mentally ill at times ;)
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« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2006, 09:30:32 PM »

Are these implemented at this time or is this going to take place in the future??
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« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2006, 10:40:04 PM »

All the shipping stuff will go into effect once the race revamp does.

I think that answers your question. :) So no, it's not being used at this time.
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« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2006, 10:45:07 PM »

hey thanks! that really helps
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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2006, 05:59:06 PM »

I've had a good read through this thread and before I decide where to hang my hat i'd just like  to ask something. I'm based in UK, I'd prefer to stay here but I presume I could "move" to the US if it seemed more practical - is this so?
i see you will be adding more races at the various tracks - will there be extra races in the UK as well? also I think you only run races here for 3 months of the year, is that going to stay the same?
if it does will I be able to ship horses over to the US for racing during other times of the year and leave them there?
I see the comment about returning horses back to their home stables to gain "natural energy" Its the first time I have seen this term used. presumably you are in effect giving your horse a break (holiday/vacation) to allow a return of enthusiasm and have some rest.  is there any indication of when a horse will need this or is it a matter of trying to work it out?
I have other questions too but will save them for another time!
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« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2006, 06:37:15 PM »

I've had a good read through this thread and before I decide where to hang my hat i'd just like  to ask something. I'm based in UK, I'd prefer to stay here but I presume I could "move" to the US if it seemed more practical - is this so?

As long as you haven't set your stable location yet, you can pick whatever location you would like.

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i see you will be adding more races at the various tracks - will there be extra races in the UK as well?

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also I think you only run races here for 3 months of the year, is that going to stay the same?

Not likely...I may add another week or two of non-stakes races, but the basic 3-month schedule for Europe will remain the same.

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if it does will I be able to ship horses over to the US for racing during other times of the year and leave them there?

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I see the comment about returning horses back to their home stables to gain "natural energy" Its the first time I have seen this term used. presumably you are in effect giving your horse a break (holiday/vacation) to allow a return of enthusiasm and have some rest.

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is there any indication of when a horse will need this or is it a matter of trying to work it out?
I have other questions too but will save them for another time!

Not really, other than decreased performance in races/workouts, and common sense (if your horse has spent the last 6 months racing every week and shipping over 4 continents, he's gonna be tired).
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« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2006, 07:48:23 PM »

How are we supposed to ship our horses over to another track?
And,  does it work yet?
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« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2006, 08:12:18 PM »

There is a form that you will use to ship your horse.

It will be active in 2011.
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« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2006, 02:32:34 AM »

OkThanks!
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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2006, 06:55:50 AM »

Looked through but couldnt find it and i might of missed it at the end of this yr shipping will apply for next yr will our horses return to our "home" stables at the end of this yr or will they remain at the last track they raced at?
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« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2006, 03:36:22 PM »

They will be at the last track they raced at.
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« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2006, 06:55:46 PM »

I have what may be a stupid question but i do need to know the answer so i can plan some strategies for next year. While i expect to keep my horses in the US for the main part of the year, I will bring some (or all) of them back to England to race here. Will they count as "at the racetrack" for training and regaining energy or will they be "at their home stable"? I believe that a horse will only regain natural energy in its own stable, not at a racetrack, similarly i think I read that a horse can't be trained while at "home" but only on the racetrack. So where will my horses be while they are in England? Or can they be moved from "England home" to "England racetrack"? I would obviously like to race them here but also take advantage of the chance to give them a rest and recovery period.
I hope this makes sense!
if there is a thread with this information, appologies  :-[ i have skim read a lot of posts but can't find an exact answer.
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« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2006, 08:49:51 PM »

Horses can be moved from the farm (in England, for you) to the racetrack (in England).  Any time horses are at a racetrack, they lose natural energy.  Any time a horse is at the farm, they gain natural energy.
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« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2006, 03:10:13 AM »

How do you bring your horse back to the farm?

Also, if a horse is injured, right now, and I want to bring it "home", how do I do that?
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« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2006, 03:26:13 AM »

You can't.  Not until next year.
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« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2007, 02:32:56 AM »

I have a problem.
I want to ship my horse from England to Australia, and it does not even show up on the ship to drop down bar.
Does not even show for any of my stateside horses.
There is no racing in England for 3 months and I would like to try and run him.
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« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2007, 02:34:49 AM »

Check the shipping page...shipping from England to Aus. costs $27,000, which you don't have.  Once you can afford the shipping fee, you can ship your horse.
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« Reply #50 on: January 04, 2007, 04:25:47 AM »

OUCH!!

Guess I have 3 months to get him back in shape.
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« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2007, 02:32:10 PM »

Shanthi,

Is the shipping program adding a day to the "ship and cost" of a horse moving from a farm to the tracks outside of there home base track? An example would be from my farm outside Woodbine to Aqueduct. Normally it's a 2 day ship between the two and now I see it's three!

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« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2007, 03:14:29 PM »

Yes, whenever a horse is shipped to/from a farm, it takes an extra day.  (Hence shipping from farm A to farm B, both in NY, taking 3 days).
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« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2007, 04:29:12 PM »

Thanks    :D
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« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2007, 10:55:06 PM »


The advantage to having your horse at a farm is that your horse will regain energy/natural energy quickly (compared to the track, anyway).  No training will be allowed when at your farm, though.

This part confuses me.  No training at home?   ???
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« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2007, 10:58:55 PM »

"Farm" in the game is defined as a breeding farm only.  Thus, there are no tracks on which to workout at the farm.
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« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2007, 12:04:14 AM »

So to train I would have to move the horses to a track nearby?  Even if not entered in a race...can that be done?  I have two nearby tracks to choose from.

(sorry...gonna be a million dumb questions for a couple of weeks.  :-[ )
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« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2007, 01:40:22 AM »

Yep, you can ship them to a track without them being entered in anything. Just use the shipping page that links from your stable's home page and ship them wherever you want them to train at.
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« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2007, 02:01:12 AM »

Thank you!   ;D
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