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« on: July 04, 2006, 03:30:53 AM »

To access training, click the links from your stable overview page.

Training Schedules allows you to save schedules for your stable/horses.  If your horse has a schedule selected, they will train on that day unless you delete their schedule.  (They will be auto-trained, if you do not login and train them...see below).

Workouts allows you to select the workouts for your horses, and have your horses workout.  You can select up to 3 activities per workout, as well as a jockey, level of effort, track, and equipment.

Each stable may have up to 5 saved schedules for their stable.  Each horse may have 1 saved schedule at a time - either a stable schedule or their own personal schedule.

Training Activities:
Walk: 1/2 mile - 2 miles
Jog: 1/2 mile - 5 miles
Canter: 1/2 mile - 5 miles
Gallop: 1/2 mile - 3 miles
Breeze: 1 - 6 furlongs

Effort Levels:
20% - to use when recovering from injury, etc
50% - holding the horse back significantly from its normal pace
70% - holding the horse back slightly from its normal pace
100% - letting the horse run at its normal pace
110% - urging the horse beyond its normal pace (breezing, etc.)

Track Options:
Flat horses can train on dirt or turf.  Steeplechasers can train with jumps (they will only jump if galloping or breezing) or without.

Injuries:
Horses may get injured while training.  Several factors will go into whether a horse gets injured, including maturity, energy/fitness, track (if muddy or they're jumping), etc.

Location:
For now, all horses will train at the track where they last raced.  Once shipping is in place, horses will train at whatever track they are stabled at.  (Training will not be available if horses are at the farm.)

Rankings:
Any results from workouts done at a breeze will be available for all members to view.  Horses that train on the same day/track will be ranked in order of time (per furlong).

Even breezing, horses may or may not achieve the same speed that would occur in a race.

Gate Tests:
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2-year olds (and/or any unraced horse) will need to pass a gate test before they will be allowed to race.  Gate training will greatly improve your horse's chance to pass a gate test.  Gate tests may not be done more often than 2x/month.


2-Year Old Training:
2-year olds will not be allowed to train for distances longer than 2 miles (total for the workout).  2-year old gallops will be limited to 8 furlongs.

Confidence:
Horses will like/dislike their workout.  This, in turn, will affect their mood/confidence.  When they race, the average of all of the workout results since the last race will be used to determine the horse?s mood going into the race (i.e. better workouts will mean a happier horse, who may be more successful than normal, and vice-verse).

Auto-Training:
If you are unwilling/unable to login frequently to train your horses, they will be trained for you if they have a schedule saved.  This training will be much more limited/less customized than doing training yourself, as the program will not know/care that the horse hated 8f last time out and should try 6f this time.  (If you go in and change that by hand, however, the program will train the horse at 6f until further notice.)  Auto-training will select random values for jockey and track (dirt/turf or jumps/no jumps), and all horses will train at 100% effort level with no equipment.

Jockeys:
You will be able to select from the available jockeys to exercise your horse.  Each jockey/horse combo has 2 factors: happiness & experience.  Happiness indicates how well the horse/jockey get along together, and experience indicates how well they know each other.  A horse paired with a jockey it likes and knows well will likely perform better, both in training and in races (and vice-verse).

Feedback:
The jockey will give you feedback after a workout.  It will vary for each workout, but could cover pretty much any stat the GOT provides.  However, jockey feedback is strongly correlated to how much experience that jockey has with the horse (see above), so take their feedback with a grain of salt!  (They also give feedback on how experienced they are with the horse, to give you a guide on how trustworthy/knowledgeable they are.)

Recommended Training:
It is recommended to vary your horse's training (either by hand or by frequently changing the schedule settings).  Not only will this keep your horse happy/interested, but it is more likely to improve their overall condition and ability.  (Consider a weight-training program - doing the same exercise over and over gets very boring, and your body gets used to it and no longer responds very well.)

It is recommended that for every 7 day period, your horse gets 3-4 days off/non-speed workouts (i.e. rest, or 1mi jog), 1-2 speed workouts/breezes, and 1-2 non-speed distance workouts (i.e. 3mi canter).


 

Features to add:
- Track condition updating daily
- Ability to edit stable/horse schedules
- Ranking of horses (based on times for breezing, grouped by track)
- Option to view all workouts from a given day
- Gate training/gate tests
- Jump trials
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2006, 03:39:34 AM »

Also, on each (race)horse's page, you can click "View Workouts" to view their workout history.  At this time, I anticipate that workouts will be stored for ~6 months, but that may change depending on space needs.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2006, 04:47:14 AM »

Hey,
I've got a question about workouts. I work at the track and typically a horse will workout every 5 days (or so) unless they are running in which they will run about every two weeks then get 3-4 days off of training. I was just wondering if the time line for training horses is about the same or is this something we figure out on our own, kinda like trial and error
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2006, 12:51:21 PM »

The latter...each horse will need something different, depending on their age/energy/fitness/possible injury/etc.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2006, 05:08:58 PM »

Rankings have been added.  :)  Rankings will be created for all breezes.  Rankings are based on total time to run the distance, and grouped by track and dirt/turf/sc.  (So if 2 horses breeze over 4f at different tracks, they will each be ranked separately, similarly if one breezes on dirt and one breezes on turf.)

Rankings will not be created until the entire day has passed, so that all horses can have a chance to workout before getting ranked.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2006, 05:15:25 PM »

This may be my total undoing :P I haven't a clue. Is there anyplace I can find general information for training?
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2006, 06:17:10 PM »

Auto-training has been updated to NOT train horses if they are entered in a race.  (This is based on the assumption that if you're racing your horse, you're happy with their energy/fitness levels.)

Note: This will not prevent your horse from doing their regularly scheduled 3 mile gallop the day after they race, if that's on their saved schedule.  Stables may want to create some sort of lightweight/maintenance schedule that they can use for horses coming off of races.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2006, 07:19:40 PM »

Is the same margin of error applicable to the energy/fitnees ratings on the workout page as the training summary page ;) I figured it would be but I just wanted to check.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2006, 07:24:27 PM »

Yep, it's the exact same code.  :)
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2006, 02:27:50 AM »

Wow, Shanthi!  I come back to poke around for a tiny bit, and the world's been turned on its head. 

Congrats!!!  I know this has been a long time in the works.  Now, if only my super horses stay super. :-P

Quick question.  If the horse has a problem with a jockey (read: they're fighting them, dumping them), is this a problem with the jockey or just the workout?  Furthermore, where can we read about the jocks?  Sorry, trying to speed read through everything, before I gotta run to class.

Love the comments. =)
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2006, 06:30:05 AM »

Well, I have NO idea what I should be doing, but it's fun anyway! Thanks for another awesome feature Shanthi!
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2006, 02:42:54 PM »

Wow, I love this feature, thanks so much!  I have no idea what I'm doing, either but it's really neat to play around with it and try to figure out horses and jockeys.  One thing I was wondering though-

Mistico Cigano's GOT says he's ornery.  Neither of his jockeys have seemed to have loved him- one stated that he didn't get along with him and the other hat he just didn't know him very well.  Should that reflect his orneryness, or is it just a fluke?
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2006, 03:10:25 PM »

Jockeys won't love a horse until they've trained with them a LOT.  (Same with how well they know them.)
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2006, 12:11:39 AM »

Ok this is a heads up for EVERYONE--Horses CAN BREAK LEGS in training sessions!!
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2006, 12:13:32 AM »

They can also have heart attacks and die.  (That's true of races, too, but to date it hasn't happened.)
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2006, 12:15:31 AM »

Scary!! So I should retire this horse right?? no sense in trying to let him heal for a year...
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2006, 12:39:05 AM »

Well, if you give him a year off, he will likely heal.  However, if you don't want to wait a year (or pay taxes on him for a year when he's doing nothing), then go ahead and retire him.
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2006, 12:41:27 AM »

OK so I'm not so stupid then..well I'm gonna give it a try then..

have any horses-in RL on in FF- recovered from a broken leg and successfully raced again??
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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2006, 12:44:21 AM »

have any horses-in RL on in FF- recovered from a broken leg and successfully raced again??

Real Life: Tons, including Mariah's Storm (thus the basis of the movie Dreamer)
FF: Fleeting Dreams broke her leg in June of 08 and raced (badly) in October of 08.  I believe every other horse that has broken its leg has been retired or is still healing.
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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2006, 03:16:54 AM »

if a jockey comments that the horse refused to rate what does that mean?
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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2006, 03:18:03 AM »

That they're potentially not very ratable.  (i.e. if their natural inclination is to run like a sprinter, and in a race a jockey wants them to run from behind, they won't be happy.)
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2006, 03:19:22 AM »

ok thanks
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« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2006, 06:20:25 PM »

Are horses more likely to break a leg in training than in a race because I got one too...could the code be being harsh?
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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2006, 06:31:42 PM »

No, if anything, it's more lenient for injuries than in races.
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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2006, 06:34:19 PM »

I ended up with a bunch of inuries too, but nothing more than swelling thanks the gods.  Maybe the horses, being fatigued from training, are becoming more prone to injuries?
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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2006, 10:04:22 PM »

Horses are more prone to injury if:
- the track is bad
- they are jumping
- they are carrying too much weight (almost guaranteed not to happen, since the jockeys currently max out at 118lbs and horses can carry 115-140lbs)
- they are immature/past their prime
- they are low on energy and/or fitness

Beyond all that, it checks for what they're doing.  So if all the horse is doing is walking for 3f, they're much less likely to get injured than if they're galloping for 5 miles.
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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2006, 11:38:14 PM »

Aah ok, so if your horse has F or D energy, you should limit exercise to a short walk or nothing at all.  That's helpful
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« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2006, 11:05:25 PM »

The workouts popup will now show (in red) if your horse has been injured.
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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2006, 01:02:33 AM »

Yet again, thanks for these cool new features!
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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2006, 01:46:10 AM »

So cool, great for us forgetful ones. ;)
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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2006, 10:13:00 PM »

If you have a schedule set up for your horses to train on and you don't train them on that day by going to the workouts page and actually finishing the track type/ jockey etc, does the computer do that for you at a set time? If yes, what is the time it does it at. If no, do they "obviously" miss a day of training?

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« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2006, 10:20:58 PM »

If you have a schedule that includes some sort of activity on Wednesday (or any other day, but today's Wednesday ;)) and you don't go in and do it manually, the computer will do it for you.  The computer picks a random jockey and a random track (it picks between dirt/turf; or jumps/no jumps depending on whether your horse is a steeplechaser or not).  (Obviously if your horse is walking 1 mile, jumps/no jumps makes no difference because they only jump the jumps if they're going fast enough...i.e. galloping or breezing ;))

The computer automatically does training for the previous day at 12:04am PDT (3:04am EST).  (So for Wednesday training, the computer would auto-train on Thursday morning.)  This allows everyone a full 24hrs to train their horse before the computer steps in and does it for you.  (Note: that is also when the computer goes through and ranks all the horses who breezed, so you will not see a ranking on your horse's workout page until the next day.)

Edit: If your horse does not have a schedule that includes something on Wednesday, the computer will ignore it and the horse will not train at all unless you train it yourself.
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« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2006, 12:58:51 AM »

Curious and confused? Can someone tell me why this work is invalid?

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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2006, 01:01:15 AM »

Walk & Jog min distances are 1/2 mile (4 furlongs).
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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2006, 01:04:43 AM »

Ok, thanks.
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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2006, 10:33:15 PM »

Wow.. I'm glad I found this post. I was so lost at first. I came back from vacation and saw all sorts of posts about training and I'm like.. what did I miss?

I think this is a really cool feature, and adds even more realism to the game. Completely rockin'.  :D
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« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2006, 09:50:49 PM »

Just a question about horse injury recovery-

I had two horses get cuts during workouts on the 4th and 6th.  I started them walking at about a half mile at 20% yesterday, and did the same again today.  Is this too soon to start doing light "recovery" works such as walking, or can it be done earlier for a milder injury like a cut?  Also, is there any specific recommended time that we should wait to work a horse after say, swelling?  I was thinking start walking about 20 days after, trotting and cantering 25 days after, and then racing after about a month.  Is that long enough?  Again, I know it is all subjective to the horse, but i was just wondering about it.
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« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2006, 09:51:59 PM »

Um....those sound good, I guess.  Injuries are treated in a very common-sense sort of manner.  i.e. what you would do with your horse (or yourself) is probably fine.  ;)
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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2006, 04:38:38 PM »

Technical question: How do you delete or replace a personal training schedule for a horse?
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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2006, 04:49:06 PM »

Click the button that says "Delete _____'s schedule"
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« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2006, 05:03:59 PM »

lol I knew it would be obvious... I didnt see that screen.  ::)
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« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2006, 08:19:03 PM »

If your horse is injured during scheduled stable training will the program stop it from being trained at the next scheduled stable training?
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« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2006, 08:35:14 PM »

No, because then you'd be able to tell when the horse is healed just by checking when they start working out again.
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« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2006, 05:10:35 PM »

Is there a margin of error in the comments you get back?  Let's say you try this whacky equipment on a horse that you've had running well and they jockey says '____ Loves his equipment!'  Are they right or are they playing Grumpy Old Trainer and misleading you :D  I was just curious, I'd hate to mess up a horse by changing equipment when I shouldn't.
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« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2006, 05:36:13 PM »

The jockey will give you feedback after a workout.  It will vary for each workout, but could cover pretty much any stat the GOT provides.  However, jockey feedback is strongly correlated to how much experience that jockey has with the horse (see above), so take their feedback with a grain of salt!  (They also give feedback on how experienced they are with the horse, to give you a guide on how trustworthy/knowledgeable they are.)
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« Reply #45 on: July 26, 2006, 05:50:23 PM »

Out of the 4 or 5 times I've gotten that equipment reply it's been on horses I've already decided on the equipment. The Jockey said the horse loved the equipment I had already decided on ;) So the feed back is pretty good or we're both morons  :P ;) ;D However the only horses I experiment with equipment with in training is horses I'm undecided on. I wouldn't change a horses equipment in training just to experiment if I've already decided he runs best with a certain tack. Just my opinion ;)
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« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2006, 06:02:09 PM »

From Shanthi's previous comment, my understanding is that unless you're getting comments like "This horse and I get along great" then I wouldn't trust/believe what the jockey says.  Especially if you've gotten it multiple times, since it's unlikely you'll get some 5% chance of it being accurate 80% of the time.
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« Reply #47 on: July 26, 2006, 11:03:22 PM »

So if a jockey tells you two times in a row that your horse seems out of shape, even though the horses fitness says A, then is it pretty much just random?
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« Reply #48 on: July 26, 2006, 11:10:56 PM »

Unless the jockey knows your horse really well, they stand a good chance of being completely off base with their comments.  (Except the one where they say how well they know your horse ;))
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« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2006, 11:53:00 PM »

Hm... most of the horses workouts have been with this one jockey.  I'll do one race with the equipment suggested, for fun, and if he bombs (which he's been doing alot of lately  ;D) then I'll have my answer lol.
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« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2006, 01:32:46 AM »

My horse bowed a tendon in her workout yesterday, he workout was walking for a few miles, thats it. How could she bow a tendon from walking? Whats the chance of this happening often? I've got all my horses walking to get their energy back up, is that the right way to get their energy back or are they going to injure themselves because of low energy?
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« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2006, 01:37:22 AM »

The chance of injury is lower for slower speed workouts, higher for low-energy horses.  Other factors affect the injury chance, but even so, it's pretty small (~1/100)

Training is basically only designed to:
1. Incease fitness without needing to race (so that you can wait for an "ideal" race)
2. Help you get experience for your horse/jockey
3. Help you figure out what your horse wants

If your horse has no energy, why bother training it until it does?
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« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2006, 04:21:22 AM »

^^Ok that makes sense..
I work at the track so how I was looking at the training feature was that the horses worked everyday unless they are injured or have just come off a race. So how I set up my training program the horses would jog/canter everyday. If they race then they would get 3 or 4 days of just walking. Doing this made all my horses energy F, so clearly my plan didn't work. I was doing the same training scheduale that my trainer in real life uses on his horses. :) Thanks
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« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2006, 07:28:56 PM »

Training has been modified to take less energy from your horse.  Also, energy loss and fitness gain have been modified further to account for your horse's current fitness level.

Horses who are more fit will lose less energy (and gain less fitness - a 1/2 mile jog will increase the fitness of a superfat horse, but won't do much to a lean, mean, racing machine)

This should hopefully balance things out a bit more.  Ideally, maxing out any of the workout options (i.e. cantering for 5 miles) will use up a lot of energy, so keep that in mind when deciding what to train.
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« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2006, 08:33:24 PM »

That sounds great, Shanthi! :)  More playtime with the horsies. ;)
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« Reply #55 on: July 30, 2006, 10:18:49 PM »

OOH! Very cool, I can't tell you how much fun the workouts are, now I can do them even more (theoretically)?!? LOVE IT!
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« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2006, 02:25:57 PM »

I guess for the most part I just don't get it. I had a number of horses in the stable yesterday that were either B/A of A/A for energy and fitness. Because they didn't have suitable races I thought a light workout would be in order to knock the energy down some..... like to a B or a C. I set them up on there favourite track with the right equipment and had all of them jog 1\2 mile and gallop 1 mile at 20%. I come ack today and they are all at F/A. That means another 2 weeks of letting them recoup energy before they can race! To say that I'm sad confused and disappointed would be an understatement. Maybe the word I'm looking for is HELP :'(............
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« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2006, 02:53:39 PM »

For the last time, training is not as cool as you think it is.  It's cool, definitely.  ;)  But it's not meant to simulate real life training.  In real life, racehorses HAVE to go train every day because that's the only time they go outside.  FF horses lose fitness and gain energy much more slowly than real-life horses, so therefore, training doesn't need to happen every day.

At the moment, training has 3 functions:
- Help the owner figure out what the horse likes as far as track (dirt/turf/sc) and equipment
- Help the jockey get to know the horse (for use in 2011 when jockeys ride in races)
- Help the owner get a horse fit/keep a horse fit if there is no race immediately when the horse is ready

If none of thses conditions apply (i.e. you know what your horse likes, you don't care about jockeys since they don't apply right now, and/or your horse is ALREADY fit), DON'T TRAIN.

Simple as that.

I can tweak energy/fitness stuff for training until I turn blue, but in its current form, it will never "mirror" real life exactly, so don't expect it to.
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« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2006, 03:51:22 PM »

It amazed me when training started that everyone went train nuts. Our horses were fit from racing. I trained some 2 yo's that I was having trouble figuring out. However I used the same jockey everytime I trained a horse. How the heck are you going to get accurate feedback if the jock doesn't know the horse? As for letting jocks get to know the horse for racing next year. There will have to be at least 14 jockey's for every track we race at, and the horses will be moving to different tracks(not as much with shipping but they will move). Unless you can hire a jockey and keep him with a particular horse what's the chance of getting the jockey that trains the horse to ride it? I assume there will be jockey orders like where to run the horse IE from the back, take the lead right away etc.

Training is one step on a long road. What we have to remmember is that this is a game it will never function just like real life (thank goodness). Don't expect it to function that way. Wow this is long I'll shut up now ;)
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« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2006, 08:31:35 PM »

I found, when I won my first race, is that you only train when you need to do any of the things Shanthi listed for training reasons. I noticed that fitness doesn't lower very fast (as in, I let my horse rest from energy F for three days, and fitness was still A). So even though it's fun to train, I don't do it unless I need to.  ;)
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« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2006, 06:36:14 PM »

I'm glad i read this post and discover that I am not the only one struggling with training. I thought it was something we had to do or the programme would do as it liked.
As a newbie I am finding things very difficult as both my horses have F for condition and A for fitness. The 2-y-o has just been entered for her first race and at entry had condition C and fitness A. i did a 1/2 mile breeze with her and her condition has dropped to F and despite only giving walking work it has remained so. All she was given to do today was a 1/2 mile walk at 50% and the jockeys comment was "your horse ran out of steam"!!!!! This seems a drastic drop for 1 workout and on that basis she should die after her first race, if she ever gets into one.  :(

I assume if I can't get her condition better than F I will have to remove her from her race on Wednesday.

Effectively at the moment I have no horses and looking at the prices paid in the recent auctions, no chance at all of buying an older horse to get me out of the trap of always being too late to enter the oversubscribed maidens and starter races.
I am feeling very sad about it all as I expect the racing season is nearly over and I have nothing to join in with till next year
I have tried to look for older horses that I can approach owners with a request to sell, have found one or two with a couple of placings/shows but no wins that I thought might not be too wonderful for the owners to give up,and mailed the owners but without luck - perhaps they are insulted by my low offers? :-[
I saw somewhere that there are sometimes newbie sales where hopefully the prices are in reach for us, are there any plans for one?
Or how about a few newbie races to give us the chance to see how our horses run?
I am going to give both horses a week of doing nothing and see if they get any energy back, but if someone can suggest something else I'm all ears!
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« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2006, 06:51:22 PM »

Definitely do nothing! My take on training is leave them alone when they have A fitness. Time is the only tonic for energy. I am certainly no expert...we are all figuring out how to use this tool. Personally, I give them workouts if they are sliding on fitness just to keep them on the upswing, or when they are peaking too soon between races so as not to over run them.

As for your racing dilemma, we have all faced the same thing. If it gives you any comfort, I began in November so Jo-San Farm is still only nine months old. During that time it has grown to 51 horses. I still can't compete with the more "monied" stables when it comes to auctions. If they so choose they can blow me out of the water in a bidding war. That said, when the auction has more horses like the Annual Foal Auction in December will most likely have, then there will be plenty of $500 type horses. I haven't been through the Select Auction in September, but with 103 horses consigned I'm guessing there may be some deals to be had. We shall see.

I wouldn't throw in the towel. You've hit a bump in the road, but the game is really awesome. It just takes time, patience and persistence. Once it starts rolling it's kind of like a snowball effect.

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« Reply #62 on: August 12, 2006, 07:15:18 PM »

Thanks John, I needed that encouragement, I'll try to hang on in!
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« Reply #63 on: August 12, 2006, 07:34:45 PM »

When I get a chance, I'll try and figure out what's up with training.  Galloping 1 mile shouldn't wipe out any horse, unless it's injured, or already has no energy.

Not sure when I'll have time to fiddle with it, though, work's been rather crazy lately.
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« Reply #64 on: August 12, 2006, 07:35:44 PM »

I haven't been through the Select Auction in September, but with 103 horses consigned I'm guessing there may be some deals to be had. We shall see.

Don't count on that...;)  Select Auction attracts the "cream of the crop", and they generally have reserve prices to match.  But there are some deals in there (as far as reserve pricing goes), just doesn't mean they're actually "cheap".  :P
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« Reply #65 on: August 12, 2006, 11:32:25 PM »

I thought it was something we had to do or the programme would do as it liked.

Final Furlong will only train your horse if you have a schedule selected for it AND you don't train it manually AND it is not entered in a race.

If you don't select schedules for your horses, they will never be trained unless you do it manually.  (Which some people prefer.)

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« Reply #66 on: August 13, 2006, 02:25:35 AM »

Another thing for you to look at when if you ever have time Shanthi, though i'm sure you probably already know about it.  ;)

The times for breezing are still wacky, I can get a three second breeze for two furlongs and then get a minute plus breeze for one furlong, just thought I'd throw that in there.


Don't give up wolfhound! I've been in the game about a year and a half now, I only have about 24 horses, granted they are 24 NICE horses, most of them anyway, they all have the potential just not the ambition.  :P

I FINALLY got my first stakes win in January of this year I believe with Storming River whom I purchased from Holly of CDS for a mere $50k, we'll just say he's earned a LOT more than that for me since then. Then there's Sleipnir who I purchased at the yearling sale last year for the maximum $100k, I took a chance on an insanely well bred yearling who might or might not do well, as a two-year-old he's been outstanding, super consistent and just won a million dollar stakes for me which was a big lucky break for me.

It's just those random moments of luck that you have to wait for, they will come.  ;D
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« Reply #67 on: August 17, 2006, 02:23:07 PM »

I am feeling very sad about it all as I expect the racing season is nearly over and I have nothing to join in with till next year

FYI, FF's racing season doesn't "end", races are run on Wed/Sat year-round.
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« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2006, 08:42:24 PM »

Yeah um...times are still way screwed up b/c Louie Can't Dance breezed 1/2 mile in  :o :01.510 [wet dirt] (She can Fly!! :P) and 6f in :17.130 [good dirt]
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« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2006, 10:02:57 PM »

Jodi, this has been mentioned many times before, and is a known bug.  See my above post about the availability (or lack thereof) of time to tweak training.
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« Reply #70 on: August 18, 2006, 12:24:32 AM »

I know  that it has been posted and such. Sorry to bug ya any more about it.
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« Reply #71 on: August 18, 2006, 12:45:28 AM »

I have something I thought was odd. I don't know if it's a bug, or if it's known, or even if it's nothing, but, whatever.  :D

I trained my horse today at canter 1/2 mile, gallop 1/2 mile and walk 1/2 mile on 70%. He bolted 8 seconds into the canter (my fault for setting the effort at 70%  ;)) so I was like, Okay, that's fine, I'll just fix this tomorrow. But I looked at my training summary and his energy and refreshed it and he had C energy, A fitness. I thought this was reasonable, but I accidentally refreshed it again, and he had B/A. Then, to test, I did it again, and it changed everytime I refreshed it. Saying B/A to C/B to C/A and so on and so forth. I didn't think such a short workout would change things so much.  :)

Sorry, this isn't much of an issue, but I thought I'd say it just in case. Sorry if it's known too.  :-*
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« Reply #72 on: August 18, 2006, 12:47:42 AM »

Is the same margin of error applicable to the energy/fitnees ratings on the workout page as the training summary page ;) I figured it would be but I just wanted to check.

Yep, it's the exact same code.  :)
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« Reply #73 on: August 18, 2006, 02:17:19 PM »

Somewhere either on the forums or the training summary page it requests that you don't refresh stuff a bunch like that as well ;).  The numbers will not stay the same and aren't intended to.  FF isn't in the habit of giving you exact answers about your horses :)
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« Reply #74 on: August 19, 2006, 10:53:13 PM »

I only need to train once a week! At first I tried to train my horse all out and got his fenergy to f in 2 days.  I now know to NOT train very frequently!
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« Reply #75 on: August 20, 2006, 01:09:43 AM »

Yeah. I only had to train my starter racehorse, Malibu, a few times before her fitness became A. I've raced her once and haven't trained her and her fitness is still A. :)
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« Reply #76 on: September 16, 2006, 05:17:56 PM »

Yeah, fitness seems to take a while to go down, thank goodness.  ;D
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« Reply #77 on: September 16, 2015, 06:13:07 PM »

The question is - the key to winning races nowadays is to rest/not race for 3 to 4 months in order to achieve a very fast split time 25sec or less and win any race over any distance??
This certainly appears to be the fashion at present, but if so its not realistic because most racehorses need a run to sharpen them up after such a break from running in a race
I train mine 5 days out of seven, maybe should be 2 ???
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« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2015, 06:42:55 PM »

I train all of my runners 5 days per week however I only train lightly (walk, jog, very rarely breeze). But I race very little compared to many trainers. Most of my horses run 5-12 times per year and they are boarded fairly frequently. I never rest them for 3-4 months unless they are injured..
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« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2015, 12:06:45 AM »

I train my horses 6 days a week, nothing too strenuous and not for long distances. I generally give my horses one race every 3-4 weeks (4-5 if they are 2YO's) and ship them home for a rest every 3 (for 2 & 3 YO's) to 6 (older horses) races.
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« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2015, 01:46:39 PM »

I think you can race your horses once or twice a month, if they're successful. I give my horses a really long rest when they don't run well, not to waste money on them :P which especially applies to 2yos (except for GCh. Susurro - I race him quite a lot, but he seems to like it... most of the time).
But the unsuccessful 2yos get a month of rest, then 2-3 weeks of training, then again a few days of rest and a race.
I used to breeze my horses a few days before the race if they had a longer rest, but it doesn't always work well.
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« Reply #81 on: September 20, 2015, 04:57:02 PM »

By the way, I searched for horses that were raced most frequently; some of them two or three times a month, 20-30 times a year, with a race record of more than 80 races in their lifetime; including WCh. Toast of the Town, FFCh. Black Cherry, WCh. Drum Major, ICh. Eternal Lady, ICh. Gilded Saint. Of my own, I have some mares which have between 50-60 starts in their lifetime, but only two were raced by me - GCh. Embellished and GCh. The Woman In Black (both raced 50 times, and are injury-free). So looks like you don't have to wait 3 months or longer for another start...
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« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2015, 06:14:56 PM »

So looks like you don't have to wait 3 months or longer for another start...

The only reason to wait several months between races (assuming no injury) is for morale gain. If your horse gets farm rest (boarding or at home) between every race it might never need to go to the farm for a long break.

FWIW, I know the race (and training) system isn't as realistic as I'd like - hoping to revamp this in the beta as well, but that will take quite some time, so don't look for it for several months years.
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« Reply #83 on: September 21, 2015, 08:52:09 AM »

Very interesting, just looked at Black Cherry's race record, What an amazing record. Most of mine must be very low on morale I guess (over trained!!). All training schedules been changed and hopefully the trainer will keep his job  ;D
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« Reply #84 on: September 22, 2015, 02:06:45 AM »

No rush on fixing the training's lack of realism...  I'm not looking forward to finding a new training regime!  Ha.  That will certainly level the playing field again, though.
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« Reply #85 on: September 22, 2015, 05:31:01 AM »

I should perhaps change mine, as it's my worst year ever; with 41% OTB. The best year was 2017 with 63%. Maybe I just had better horses!
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« Reply #86 on: October 03, 2015, 11:54:43 AM »

I've certainly struggled with the training and my winning percentage has declined dramatically  ???

I've even looked to purchase horses from other stables with better winning percentages just to peek at their training methods  :o

Been revamping a few lately so time will tell.
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