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« on: January 01, 2009, 04:25:14 AM »

Hello Shanti

Happy New Year to you.

Just wanted to bring to your notice a tax bug. The broodmare tax shows $2,382,000  when it should be 20,000 or so.

This is from my budget page:

2012-12-31 2012 Broodmare Tax $2,382,000  $2,534,317.


The Story book auction is up and this has disrupted some of my plans. So can you do something if possible

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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2009, 04:29:03 AM »

The auction actually doesn't open up for another three hours, so don't worry too much about missing out!
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2009, 05:30:22 AM »

Actually, there does appear to be a bug in the Broodmare taxes, certainly as far as my stable is concerned. When you look at my Stable Taxes page, it shows that I should be paying $30,000 in Broodmare taxes for 10 Broodmares, however, when you look at my Stable Budget page, it has deducted $51,000 in Broodmare taxes.

In addition, I am a little confused as to what qualifies a Broodmare to be liable for Tax. I have two broodmares, Lady of Mystery & Painted Desert, who were already in foal when I bought them at Auction. I have not been charged the Broodmare Tax for them. I have another Broodmare, Coco Diablo, who was Retired to Stud a couple of days ago and who has not been bred yet, however, I have been charged Broodmare tax for her (I mentioned her in a Post a couple of days ago).

Could you please look into these cases for me.

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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2009, 04:50:36 PM »

My taxes also seem to be messed up.

  • I was taxed $175,000 for my 37 racehorses on my tax page but in my budget it says I was taxed $596,985 and it took that much. (huge difference)
  • I wasn't taxed for my six broodmares on the tax page but on my budget page it took $21,000.
  • I was taxed $4,000 for my two weanlings and on my budget page it took $31,000.
  • I wasn't charged a sales tax on the tax page but on my budget it took $15,000

So overall I was taxed $663,986 for a total of 46 horses which seems like a lot to me.

Thanks

eta: this isn't completely tax related but my yearling Bel Esprit is showing up as a racehorse.
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2009, 05:40:21 PM »

Shanti, hello

I'd like to ask about taxes. My stable was open on December 30, 2012. As a newbie I have a first year without taxes, but now I see on taxes page that my stable will pay taxes in the end of 2013..  ???
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2009, 06:16:03 PM »

Amares, as a newbie your first year you only get a discount on taxes, not a year without them
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2009, 07:35:50 PM »

Since the 2013 tax year is listed, how do you find out what your 2012 taxes were?  I know it is on the budget page, but how can you compare and double check?
Thanks in advance
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2009, 08:10:40 PM »

It's in the stable budget page. you need to go back to december 31, 2012 as the start date and it will show seperately all that was taken out.
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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2009, 09:08:10 PM »

Is there a way to pull up the Taxes Breakdown by year? 

If you go to your tax page right now, it shows 2013 Taxes.  I would like to see that page BUT for 2012 and 2011.

Is there a way to see that?
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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2009, 10:54:07 PM »

I'll look into this over the weekend. :)
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2009, 03:59:51 AM »

Amares, as a newbie your first year you only get a discount on taxes, not a year without them

Ok, what I'm trying to explain..
On the Taxes page I have "You do not qualify for the newbie discount".
It means I'll pay FULL taxes in december 2013. But I'm a newbie!!! I just start the game, I even never race my horses!
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2009, 04:58:45 AM »

Amares-

I think the system was set up (because there has to be a cut-off point) so that newbies would have a minimum of one full year to get on their feet and prepare to pay full taxes.  Joining December 30, right before taxes are due (your first tax "year" payment, in which you get the discount), still gives you this minimal time (a year and a day) to prepare to pay full taxes.  It sucks, but there has to be a cut-off point and you happened to fall in close to that point.  But one full year is still plenty to prepare, so no worries!  Just know that everything you do - buying/leasing/breeding - will add to your taxes at the end of the year.  It's always a good idea to look at your "stable taxes" page instead of your account balance to see how much money you REALLY have to spend so that it doesn't sneak up on you in a year.
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2009, 04:19:05 PM »

OK, taxes should now be correct.  Not all stables gained money, however.  ;)

One thing I did add to the tax code is a tax deduction on shipping racehorses.

Newbies get 20%, non-newbies 10%.

So, let's say Stable A and B each earned $1,000,000 from their racehorses in 2012.  They both spent $250,000 shipping those horses in 2012.

If Stable A is a newbie, and they would normally pay (picking a random # here) $300,000 on taxes, they get to deduct $50,000 (20% of $250,000) from that amount, so they pay $250,000.

If Stable B is not a newbie, and they would normally pay $550,000 on taxes, they get to deduct $25,000 (10% of $250,000) from that amount, so they pay $525,000.

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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2009, 04:30:40 PM »

My taxes were correct earlier, but I just checked again, and it appears now that I've been charged twixe for each of my weanlings... THey should have been $500 each, for a total of $1000, but in my stable budget it now says $2000 was taken for them.
Just thought I'd let you know :)
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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2009, 04:46:38 PM »

My Taxes were fine yesterday and now they look like this:

2012-12-31     2012 Racehorse Tax           $419,958     $81,200
2012-12-31    2012 Stallion Tax             $0                  $134,828
2012-12-31    2012 Broodmare Tax          $9,000             $125,828
2012-12-31    2012 Yearling/Weanling Tax  $14,000           $117,828
2012-12-31    2012 Sales Tax                     $19,750        $97,578
2013-01-01    Lochiedo Stables Auction: Purchased Suddenly Smart (ID# 3189) from Lochiedo Stables                        $1,000    $37,450

Yesterday:
Racehorse Tax was $366,300
Stallion                 $0
Broodmare             $3,000
Yearling/Weanling    $14,500
Sales Tax              $19,750

It took an additional $59,158 from me and my taxes were correct from the first time.  But you can see from the copy of my budget page how the totals don't make sense.  I copied this 5 mins ago and it was fine yesterday.

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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2009, 05:46:49 PM »

My taxes were correct earlier, but I just checked again, and it appears now that I've been charged twixe for each of my weanlings... THey should have been $500 each, for a total of $1000, but in my stable budget it now says $2000 was taken for them.
Just thought I'd let you know :)

Actually, they got fixed.

Crystal Whirl - sire's fee is $10,000, so it's the less of $1,000 or $2,000 == $1,000
Haute Couture - created, so fee is $5,000, less of $500 or $2,000 == $500
Spring Regatta - created, so fee is $5,000, less of $500 or $2,000 == $500

$1,000 + $500 + $500 = $2,000
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2009, 06:00:29 PM »

Here is my Budget page:

2012-12-31     Claimed: Adomar from race 6     $5,000     $271,423
2012-12-31    2012 Racehorse Tax               $160,599      $110,824
2012-12-31    2012 Stallion Tax                  $0            $139,693
2012-12-31    2012 Broodmare Tax               $0                 $139,693
2012-12-31    2012 Yearling/Weanling Tax      $12,000    $127,693
2012-12-31    2012 Sales Tax                          $250           $130,443
2013-01-01    Lochiedo Stables Auction: Purchased Loopy De Loop (ID# 3771) from Lochiedo Stables    $1,000    $97,574

It credited me $28,869 for Stallion Tax and took away $31,864 on midnight 12/31

I think the database did some partying on New Years ;)
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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2009, 06:02:57 PM »

I seem to be missing ~$9,000

2012-12-31     2012 Racehorse Tax     $114,550     $89,789
2012-12-31    2012 Stallion Tax             $0       $103,494
2012-12-31    2012 Broodmare Tax    $12,000    $91,494
2012-12-31    2012 Yearling/Weanling Tax    $11,500    $79,994
2012-12-31    2012 Sales Tax    $11,850    $68,144 <----
2012-12-31    Lease Fee: Day of Victory from Stillwater Farms [01/01/2013 to 12/31/2013]    $5,000    $49,439

I believe I was charged ~14,000 instead of 5,000 for my lease.
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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2009, 06:36:49 PM »

Shanti,
Is it possible that when you worked on the tax code last night, that it is now factoring in the horses that have been bought since the 1st?

I picked up 4 new racehorses and a broodmare and had one foal born since 12/31.  Approx math, shows this could be the difference.

Kayleigh's budget is unchanged because she is in the negative and could not buy anything, so her stable is unchanged, as is her budget.

It shows I am now -$40,378

2012-12-31     Shipped Last Account from Aqueduct to Triple M Racing     $100     $501,158
2012-12-31    2012 Racehorse Tax    $406,786    $94,372
2012-12-31    2012 Stallion Tax    $0    $134,828
2012-12-31    2012 Broodmare Tax    $9,000    $125,828
2012-12-31    2012 Yearling/Weanling Tax    $14,000    $117,828
2012-12-31    2012 Sales Tax    $19,750    $97,578
2013-01-01    Lochiedo Stables Auction: Purchased Suddenly Smart (ID# 3189) from Lochiedo Stables    $1,000    $50,622
 
It took away $6,956  from 12/31 to 1/1
Charged me $9,000 for 3 broodmares when I only had 2 at the end of the year.  So, that could be what it did. It took yesterday as 12/31 and we were all charged for what horses we just bought on 1/1.

Just a thought, not sure if it is a right one though.
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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2009, 06:48:56 PM »

OK, people, please, unless I actually post that everything is fixed and happy, I don't need a minute-by-minute update on how screwed up your money is.

I am attempting to get things as fixed and updated (as far as new features) as possible.  However, like all other things, if your amount is off by $500 or something, I really don't/won't care (unless that $500 happens to put you in debt or something).
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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2009, 06:51:13 PM »

Yes, that's true, but I only purchased Crystal Whirl this morning and didn't own him in 2012 :)  
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2009, 07:38:39 PM »

OK...

All of the tax dollar amounts should be correct.  I'm now working on fixing the final balance amounts.
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2009, 08:10:38 PM »

OK, I think everything should be fixed.
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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2009, 09:38:06 PM »

Shanthi, thanks for taking the time to look at this stuff but my tax page still says

TOTAL TAXES ON RACEHORSES: $185,000

and my budget page still shows

Tax for Racehorses $523,678


If you're not fixing this I understand I'm just confused on what's going on.

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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2009, 09:41:09 PM »

It might be that the tax page is reset to reflect the taxes you will pay next year. Mine took a day to turn over meaning yesterday it showed the taxes I was paying right now but today it's showing the taxes I will pay next time.
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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2009, 09:53:52 PM »

Maviko is right...your tax page will show your taxes for 2013.  This bug is for the taxes that were paid yesterday for 2012.  Obviously 2013 taxes (today) are way less than 2012, because your horses haven't earned anything on which to be taxed.
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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2009, 09:58:21 PM »

Looks like my taxes were right, just a few other random deductions to the tune of $588,051  :o

2012-12-31     Shipped National Anthem from Gintara Lodge to     $100     $1,862,547
2012-12-31    Entry Fee: 2013-01-07, Race 48 - National Anthem    $10,000    $1,189,496  :o
2012-12-31    2012 Racehorse Tax                                           $496,876    $692,620
2012-12-31    2012 Stallion Tax    $0                                                            $692,620
2012-12-31    2012 Broodmare Tax                                           $3,000    $689,620
2012-12-31    2012 Yearling/Weanling Tax                                   $20,000    $669,620
2012-12-31    2012 Sales Tax                                                   $2,375    $667,245
2013-01-01    Shipped Debut Performance from Australia to Gintara Lodge    $100    $667,145
2013-01-01    Shipped Highland Burning from Australia to Gintara Lodge    $100    $667,045
2013-01-01    Shipped Brilliant Finale from Gintara Lodge to Australia    $100    $666,945
2013-01-01    Shipped Going All The Way from Gintara Lodge to Australia    $100    $666,845
2013-01-01    Shipped Highland Loch from Gintara Lodge to Australia    $100    $666,745
2013-01-01    Shipped Tangled Up In Blue from Gintara Lodge to Australia    $100    $666,645
2013-01-01    Shipped Symbolic Shield from Gintara Lodge to Australia    $100    $666,545
2013-01-01    Lochiedo Stables Auction: Purchased Civil War (ID# 4861) from Lochiedo Stables                                                                                        $25,500    $641,045
2013-01-01    Shipped Civil War from Gintara Lodge to Australia    $100    $640,945
2013-01-02    Storybook Farms Auction: Purchased Infrared (ID# 3770) from Storybook Farms                                                                                 $75,000    $1,209,496
2013-01-02    Storybook Farms Auction: Purchased Marie de Guise (ID# 5683) from Storybook Farms    $50,000    $590,945
2013-01-02    Shipped Marie de Guise from Gintara Lodge to Australia    $100    $590,845 

edit - just worked out my total should be $1,178,896  :)

Sorry Shanthi, I know you've got plenty on and didn't need another problem  ;D
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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2009, 10:47:50 PM »

Andy, you should be set.
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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2009, 11:03:46 PM »

I don't think my Taxes are correct.

According to my Budget, I was charged $561,271 for Racehorse Tax and $39,000 for Broodmare Tax. According to my calculations, the Racehorse Tax should have been $536,445 (which is what the Tax page said that it was before you made any changes) and the Broodmare Tax should have been $27,000.

Although I now have 13 Broodmares, one of them, Flaming Silk, was only changed to Broodmare today, another one, Coco Diablo, was only changed to Broodmare a couple of days ago and has not been bred. There are also two Broodmares that I bought already in foal so I don't know if I'm responsible for their taxes or if the Stable I bought them from is (if I am, then my Broodmare tax should be $33,000).

Please could you look into these for me.

BTW - Does the new Shipping Tax Deduction start with the 2012 Taxes or 2013?
Thanks.
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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2009, 11:39:27 PM »

Thanks Shanthi, your worth more  :-*
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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2009, 11:57:41 PM »

OK, now everyone should be set.
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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2009, 12:12:20 AM »

I really hate to post this but my budget is still off. I am back on the positive side(yeah!), but short $20,200.

Breakdown:
Balance before taxes:  $501,158
Total Taxes:  $391,536
Balance of:   $109,622
Total spent 1/1 & 1/2: $87,000
Balance should be: $22,622

Says on Stable Home Page:  $2,422

If it was a couple hundred even 1 or 2k, not a big deal but $20,200 is entry money on new auction purchases.

I'm sorry!!
KayLeigh's budget is correct though.  Still negative but correct(Yeah!)
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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2009, 12:21:05 AM »

Fixed.
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2009, 12:25:30 AM »

I don't believe I got 10% (for shipping) off my Racehorse tax. Can you please check this out?
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2009, 12:27:14 AM »

Everyone did.  I've now re-run the tax code about 20 times.  Unless you are positive a number is way off, or your budgets don't add up (like Andy's post above), consider it correct.
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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2009, 12:29:18 AM »

We all love you for working through this and getting everyone straightened out or as close to straight.

Thank You!!
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2009, 12:37:53 AM »

Thank you for working so hard to get this fixed so quickly!  We all greatly appreciate your dedication to the game :)
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2009, 01:35:05 AM »

I hate to be a pest, but my budget went all wonky on me.

This morning, I had $270+k in my account, now it's down to $180k, eep!
All I've done in the last two days were the 2 leases from you ($5k each) and 2 auction wins at $10k each, so it should only have dropped $30k total.

The problem seems to be in the leasing of GOTTA HAVE FAITH, where his $5,000 lease dropped my budget total from $288,385 to $208,385, making him an expensive $80,000 lease!!   :o  Hopefully he's worth it, but it's not what I signed up for, ya know?   :P

Thanks in advance for looking into this!
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« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2009, 02:28:45 AM »

Hi Shanthi,

You seem to have worked so hard today to fix this budget crisis, and I wanted to give you time to get it all sorted out. So I've waited to let you know about my budget mistake.

When I leased Wizard's Quest, my budget went from $121,549 to $81,549, making the lease $40,000 instead of $5,000. when you can would you check into this for me? It's much appreciated, and I value everything you do for this game.

Dee
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« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2009, 05:45:31 AM »

Thanks a ton Shanthi, really appreciate the effort
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« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2009, 06:09:11 PM »

Okay I appreciate it all too but I'm positive I'm still short about $30,000

After Taxes: $-32,349
Donation: $175,000
After Donation: $112,651  <--This should be $142,651
Total Spent 1/1 through 1/4: $87,400 (including the $30,000 spent on Filibuster)
Amount In Bank: $25,251
My end total in my account should be $55,251 making it $30,000 that vanished, and it seemed to happen after I bought Filibuster from the Storybook Auction, so I'm not sure what happened.

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« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2009, 07:49:23 PM »

Sorry to be a pain but my budget also seems to be still way out. The taxes look pretty much ok but on 24 dec 2012 I had a balance of $368,411 again about right. on 25 Dec $1,000 was spent on Tear Jerker but the balance shown is MINUS  $134,898 a drop of $503,309!!!!! This is very close to my total taxes of $508,659 which was charged on 31 dec. Could I have been charged twice?
Before the new year I had looked at taxes and saw I should have been around 40,000 in debt so I sent a contribution to get 100,000 expecting to be about 60,000 infront. (Then there was the rebate shown for shipping and if that is taken off for 2012 when I paid $529200 in shipping I should have had 50,000 more)
My stable page shows me 92,000 in debt and I can see no way that this should be possible.  :o I can't breed mares or enter races -please let me know what has happened so I can continue the game as soon as possible
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« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2009, 07:19:13 PM »

I hate to be a pest, but my budget went all wonky on me.

This morning, I had $270+k in my account, now it's down to $180k, eep!
All I've done in the last two days were the 2 leases from you ($5k each) and 2 auction wins at $10k each, so it should only have dropped $30k total.

The problem seems to be in the leasing of GOTTA HAVE FAITH, where his $5,000 lease dropped my budget total from $288,385 to $208,385, making him an expensive $80,000 lease!!   :o  Hopefully he's worth it, but it's not what I signed up for, ya know?   :P

Thanks in advance for looking into this!

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« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2009, 07:21:11 PM »

Hi Shanthi,

You seem to have worked so hard today to fix this budget crisis, and I wanted to give you time to get it all sorted out. So I've waited to let you know about my budget mistake.

When I leased Wizard's Quest, my budget went from $121,549 to $81,549, making the lease $40,000 instead of $5,000. when you can would you check into this for me? It's much appreciated, and I value everything you do for this game.

Dee

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« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2009, 07:23:30 PM »

Okay I appreciate it all too but I'm positive I'm still short about $30,000

After Taxes: $-32,349
Donation: $175,000
After Donation: $112,651  <--This should be $142,651
Total Spent 1/1 through 1/4: $87,400 (including the $30,000 spent on Filibuster)
Amount In Bank: $25,251
My end total in my account should be $55,251 making it $30,000 that vanished, and it seemed to happen after I bought Filibuster from the Storybook Auction, so I'm not sure what happened.

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« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2009, 07:27:47 PM »

Sorry to be a pain but my budget also seems to be still way out. The taxes look pretty much ok but on 24 dec 2012 I had a balance of $368,411 again about right. on 25 Dec $1,000 was spent on Tear Jerker but the balance shown is MINUS  $134,898 a drop of $503,309!!!!! This is very close to my total taxes of $508,659 which was charged on 31 dec. Could I have been charged twice?
Before the new year I had looked at taxes and saw I should have been around 40,000 in debt so I sent a contribution to get 100,000 expecting to be about 60,000 infront. (Then there was the rebate shown for shipping and if that is taken off for 2012 when I paid $529200 in shipping I should have had 50,000 more)
My stable page shows me 92,000 in debt and I can see no way that this should be possible.  :o I can't breed mares or enter races -please let me know what has happened so I can continue the game as soon as possible

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« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2009, 08:04:49 PM »

Many thanks!
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« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2009, 08:20:25 PM »

Thanks!
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« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2009, 10:34:42 PM »

Thank you so much, Shanthi.  I really appreciate it.   :)
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« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2009, 12:26:07 PM »

Shanthi, just when you thought that this issue had been put to bed, it has raised it's ugly head again. While I appreciate that you have worked hard to get this sorted out. I still have a couple of questions about my budget.

1. How does the Tax Rebate for Shipping show up. When I View my Stable Budget, I see individual entries for the different Tax categories, however, none of them say anything about a Tax Rebate. Is there a specific entry for it or is it just deducted from the Racehorse Tax amount?

2. What exactly is this Rebate calculated on? Does it just include Shipping to Racetracks for races or does it include all shipping and does it include when you ship your horses back to your Stables so they can have a rest. In addition, does it only include when you enter a horse in a race and that horse has to be shipped to the racetrack as part of the entry procedure, or does it also include if you go to your Stables shipping page and actively ship a horse to a different location?

My Taxes, as deducted from my Budget, are different from what I calculated they should be. I had sent you an email showing you how I had calculated my Racehorse Tax and in your reply (which I read when I first received it and now unfortunately I cannot find anywhere), you said that the difference is the shipping Rebate. My overall Shipping Costs for last year were $644,000 and 10% of that is $64,400, however, the difference between what I calculate my racehorse Tax should be and what was actually taken out as Racehorse Tax is only about $5,000. My calculated Shipping Costs include all horses to every place they were shipped and includes Broodmares being shipped to whichever Stallion they were being bred to and then shipped back to my Farm after they were certified In Foal, also horses being shipped back to my Farm for a rest and then shipped to a racetrack when their rest was over. I tend to plan which race my horses are going to run in next pretty much as soon after their most recent race as I can, and, if their next planned race is going to be at a different track, I will ship them to this "new" track straight away, so that they have time to get acclimatized to the new environment and racing surface. Hence, more often than not, by the time the race entries open for the races I'm interested in for my horses, they have already been shipped to the track and don't need to be shipped again as part of the Race Entry procedure.

3. I have not yet received an answer about the question I asked you about the Broodmare Tax. At the end of 2012, I had eleven Broodmares that had been bred during the year (nine of which I had bred and the other two were acquired during the year from various auctions and were already In Foal when I bought them). In addition, I had one Broodmare that had not been bred as she had been a Racehorse during the year and I had switched her to Broodmare a couple of days after Christmas, so she was a Broodmare (however not In Foal) on Dec 31st. I also had a Broodmare that had been switched to Broodmare on or about Jan 1st or 2nd this year but had still been a Racehorse on December 31st. As of Jan 5th I had a total of thirteen Broodmares and was charged $39,000 Broodmare Tax on this basis (13 x $3,000). According to what I had read on one of the Forum message boards (I don't remember which one - it may even have been in the FAQ), I got the impression that this tax was only levied on Broodmares that were bred during the year, therefore, I should not have been charged for the two unbred ones, and certainly not the one who was switched in January. With regards to the two Broodmares that I bought during the year, I assume that, even though I didn't breed them, I'm still responsible for their Broodmare Tax as I was the owner on Dec 31st.

I have seen a number of people writing to say that their Budget was incorrect as a result of having acquired horses in the Stillwater Farm Lease. I know that you don't like to have loads of people posting about the same "bug", so I didn't mention that I had the same problem, thinking that, you would find the bug, fix it and everybody's problem would be corrected. However, while you seem to have fixed their errors, it seems that it was just done on a one-off basis, i.e you fixed it for those people who told you it was a problem and not done a "generic fix". I had leased one of the Stillwater horses and, even though the Budget Item description says that I was charged $5,000 for it, my budget went from $704,883 to $669,883, a difference of $35,000.

I wonder if this problem didn't arise out of the fact that everybody's 2012 End-of-Year Balances (which I assume were automatically carried over to be their 2013 Start-of-Year Balances) were adjusted a number of times with all the fixes you were having to make for the Tax Bug and maybe one or more of the adjustments didn't get automatically carried over to the 2013 S-O-Y Balances at the same time.

I would be very grateful if you could please look into these when you have a chance. There is no rush as, unlike some of the people who reported problems earlier, the errors haven't put me in a negative position (although I know you've said that you like to try and fix any reported errors ASAP before you forget about them).

Thanks and once again, thanks again for all you do to try and keep this running smoothly and make it enjoyable for all of us.
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« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2009, 03:26:34 PM »

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1. How does the Tax Rebate for Shipping show up. When I View my Stable Budget, I see individual entries for the different Tax categories, however, none of them say anything about a Tax Rebate. Is there a specific entry for it or is it just deducted from the Racehorse Tax amount?

The latter.  I don't want to add in 150 more budget entries just to say that you got a rebate on shipping.

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2. What exactly is this Rebate calculated on? Does it just include Shipping to Racetracks for races or does it include all shipping and does it include when you ship your horses back to your Stables so they can have a rest. In addition, does it only include when you enter a horse in a race and that horse has to be shipped to the racetrack as part of the entry procedure, or does it also include if you go to your Stables shipping page and actively ship a horse to a different location?

It looks for any budget entries with the word "Shipping" and the horse's name.  If it finds any, it deducts 10 or 20% of that.

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3. I have not yet received an answer about the question I asked you about the Broodmare Tax. At the end of 2012, I had eleven Broodmares that had been bred during the year (nine of which I had bred and the other two were acquired during the year from various auctions and were already In Foal when I bought them). In addition, I had one Broodmare that had not been bred as she had been a Racehorse during the year and I had switched her to Broodmare a couple of days after Christmas, so she was a Broodmare (however not In Foal) on Dec 31st. I also had a Broodmare that had been switched to Broodmare on or about Jan 1st or 2nd this year but had still been a Racehorse on December 31st. As of Jan 5th I had a total of thirteen Broodmares and was charged $39,000 Broodmare Tax on this basis (13 x $3,000). According to what I had read on one of the Forum message boards (I don't remember which one - it may even have been in the FAQ), I got the impression that this tax was only levied on Broodmares that were bred during the year, therefore, I should not have been charged for the two unbred ones, and certainly not the one who was switched in January. With regards to the two Broodmares that I bought during the year, I assume that, even though I didn't breed them, I'm still responsible for their Broodmare Tax as I was the owner on Dec 31st.

It goes through and looks for any budget entries for breeding a mare.  (So if you breed Mare A and then sell her, you still get taxed on having "used" her during the year.)  Then it goes through and finds any broodmares that you own that weren't bred, and charges you for them.  The reason you got charged for your broodmares you retired in January is because there is no record of when a mare retired, so whatever mares were broodmares on the day the tax script ran were what you got charged for.  This falls under the "I really don't give a crap" section of money & bugs, which is in the announcements forum.

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I have seen a number of people writing to say that their Budget was incorrect as a result of having acquired horses in the Stillwater Farm Lease. I know that you don't like to have loads of people posting about the same "bug", so I didn't mention that I had the same problem, thinking that, you would find the bug, fix it and everybody's problem would be corrected. However, while you seem to have fixed their errors, it seems that it was just done on a one-off basis, i.e you fixed it for those people who told you it was a problem and not done a "generic fix". I had leased one of the Stillwater horses and, even though the Budget Item description says that I was charged $5,000 for it, my budget went from $704,883 to $669,883, a difference of $35,000.

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« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2009, 03:27:28 PM »

OK, because I don't want to keep adjusting peoples' budgets for months on end, you will have until the end of January to report budget problems.

(I have attempted to just fix this with a code script, but so far, no luck.)

If you don't report budget discrepancies by the end of January, sorry, but you're out of luck.
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« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2009, 04:52:56 PM »


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2. What exactly is this Rebate calculated on? Does it just include Shipping to Racetracks for races or does it include all shipping and does it include when you ship your horses back to your Stables so they can have a rest. In addition, does it only include when you enter a horse in a race and that horse has to be shipped to the racetrack as part of the entry procedure, or does it also include if you go to your Stables shipping page and actively ship a horse to a different location?

It looks for any budget entries with the word "Shipping" and the horse's name.  If it finds any, it deducts 10 or 20% of that.

I have pulled up all my budget entries for 2012 with the word "Ship" and a horses name and I got a massive number of entries with "Shipped xxx from yyy to zzz", however, none with "Shipping". The total of these entries came to the same $644,000 that I had calculated. Could that be the problem, i.e. that the program is looking for entries saying "Shipping" to calculate the Tax Rebate, but the Budget entries say "Shipped"?

Anyhow, thanks for answering my questions and for fixing the last problem about the lease. I understand what you are saying about the Broodmares and can live with it. I will have to remember not to change any of my fillies to broodmare before the middle of January next year so I don't have this problem again.
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« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2009, 06:41:05 PM »

I have pulled up all my budget entries for 2012 with the word "Ship" and a horses name and I got a massive number of entries with "Shipped xxx from yyy to zzz", however, none with "Shipping". The total of these entries came to the same $644,000 that I had calculated. Could that be the problem, i.e. that the program is looking for entries saying "Shipping" to calculate the Tax Rebate, but the Budget entries say "Shipped"?

I'm at work, and didn't bother looking at the code.  The actual code searches for "Shipped", not "Shipping".
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« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2009, 06:04:39 AM »

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I think the system was set up (because there has to be a cut-off point) so that newbies would have a minimum of one full year to get on their feet and prepare to pay full taxes.  Joining December 30, right before taxes are due (your first tax "year" payment, in which you get the discount), still gives you this minimal time (a year and a day) to prepare to pay full taxes.  It sucks, but there has to be a cut-off point and you happened to fall in close to that point.  But one full year is still plenty to prepare, so no worries!  Just know that everything you do - buying/leasing/breeding - will add to your taxes at the end of the year.  It's always a good idea to look at your "stable taxes" page instead of your account balance to see how much money you REALLY have to spend so that it doesn't sneak up on you in a year.

Ok, I understand, but let's think another stable joined on Jan. 2 - so 3 days after mine - it means that stable will have 2 FULL years till the first full taxes.. So what is the difference between me and that other stable - both of us newbies!! I think I also have a right to have the NEWBIE tax discount at the first year in the game..
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« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2009, 08:39:51 AM »

I doubt that it will, you cease being a newbie after 6 months so by dec 31 2013 neither of you would be newbies, neither of you would get the newbie discount. So far as I am aware no-one gets 2 years discount. You still have all this year to get your budget sorted out which is more than you would if you had joined in say June when you would cease being a newbie in November and therefore pay full taxes in December after playing for just the 6 months.
Shanthi has tried to make this game as fair as possible but sometimes you get to lose a bit and sometimes you gain a bit - I have done both. You are actually gaining as you will play a whole year before tax comes due - so please a little less about your "rights" it is only a game, not real life, chill out, have fun, enjoy your horses  8)

Hope you enjoy the game and have some good runners
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« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2009, 11:40:04 AM »

I joined Dec21 and my stable budget indicates I paid  $267 racehorse tax for the year 2012
The stable taxes indicate this year I will be paying $5000 per racehorse. This gives me a year to get my finances together.

Hopefully I can ... :)

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« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2009, 01:24:12 PM »

Ok, I understand, but let's think another stable joined on Jan. 2 - so 3 days after mine - it means that stable will have 2 FULL years till the first full taxes.. So what is the difference between me and that other stable - both of us newbies!! I think I also have a right to have the NEWBIE tax discount at the first year in the game..

You have a valid point, but there needs to be a cutoff somewhere.  The rule right now is that every new stable gets one set of taxes at a discount.  You happened to get taxes that would've been very small anyway for free as your discount.

If you would like, I'm happy to reset your stable (budget, new horses, etc) so that you have all of 2013 to earn your newbie tax discount.
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« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2009, 02:30:05 PM »

You have a valid point, but there needs to be a cutoff somewhere.  The rule right now is that every new stable gets one set of taxes at a discount.  You happened to get taxes that would've been very small anyway for free as your discount.

If you would like, I'm happy to reset your stable (budget, new horses, etc) so that you have all of 2013 to earn your newbie tax discount.

Shanthi, thanks a lot, but I already bought some runners and I'd like to keep them. ;) I was only wondering if it's supposed to be like that or not.


.. so please a little less about your "rights" it is only a game, not real life, chill out, have fun, enjoy your horses  8)

Hope you enjoy the game and have some good runners

Thanks for a good advice - I'm already relaxed and enjoying the game ;)
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