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MJM_RACING

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May 11th Race 10
« on: May 10, 2005, 07:22:49 pm »
 Shanti or whomever may have

the power.
I believe that on May 11 Race 10, Battleship is illegally entered in the

race.
The race is a: NW2 Allowance and Battleship's record includes two wins:

3/23 1st -

9f Dirt Allowance for 3yo+, $35,000
4/06 1st - 8.5f Dirt Ungr. Federico Tesio Stakes

for 3yo, $150,000

Thanks
 

Andrea

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May 11th Race 10
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2005, 09:20:11 pm »
 For the record, that's race

12, not 10.  And while we appreciate people pointing out when there's a bug in our code we

might not have caught, maybe next time try to do in a slightly less accusatory way ;)  

MJM_RACING

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May 11th Race 10
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2005, 03:24:36 am »
 No accusatory meant in my

post...mistakes happen I just wanted to let the Racing Secretary know...plus I dont think my

horse has a chance against Battleship :unsure:  

Nan

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May 11th Race 10
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2005, 04:15:35 am »
 *chuckles* Oh, now, nothing

ventured, nothing gained, MJM. ;) Of course there's always the chance that your horse will

get beaten by a better one...but if you don't send them out there to try, where's the

glory? ;)

If you do notice such a thing next time, it would just be more diplomatic to say

something like 'I think someone may have made a mistake entering this horse'...the words

'illegally entered' just bring to mind unsportsmanlike hijinks that the person who entered

the horse may not have intended. And do please remember that, just as it is unfair for

someone to try to exploit loopholes to get an 'easy win' for their horse, so it's also a

bit unsporting to try to find said loopholes in the hopes of eliminating competition simply

because you think it might be too much for yours. ;)

In all fairness, I do think that

Battleship's entry might be an honest mistake, if it even *is* one. In the FAQ an NW2 race

is defined as "Open to any horse who has not won 2 allowance races (may have

won a maiden race, and/or numerous claiming races)"
. No mention is made there

of Stakes races, ungraded or otherwise. Therefore, I think I'd

come to the same conclusion as Battleship's owner apparently has, that if my horse hadn't

won 2 Allowances, that he could still be entered in an NW2 race. Given that Battleship

hasn't had the best of fortune in the two graded Stakes he's run since then, and given that

all the ungraded Stakes races for the 11th are much shorter dashes, and given that the only

other 10-furlong race on the schedule is a Steeplechase (for fillies and mares), well, I

would have to assume that he was entered in that race the same reason we all put our steeds

in certain races -- that that's the one he stands the best chance in.

Of course, we all

know what happens when we assume. ;) I could totally be wrong. ;)

In any case, please

accept this missive in the humble good intent with which it is given. I wish you and your

horse(s) the best of luck tomorrow. :)

CascadeJade

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May 11th Race 10
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2005, 04:53:18 am »
 I know I've made some

mistakes before, accidentally entering over qualfied MSW in NW2 allowances or NW3, not really

noticing the allowance part. I think it is a common mistake, also maybe it would be helpful

in the FAQ to outline that with the NW allowances a stakes counts as much as an allowance in

qualifying a horse for those. Often a great MSW hasn't won 2 or more allowances simply

because he hasn't been entered in that many.

Also, maybe a better way to let Andrea or

Shanthi know about the entering error would be a simple PM to one of them, instead of perhaps

embarrasing the owner with what was most likely a simple mistake :)

MJM_RACING

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May 11th Race 10
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2005, 05:38:29 am »
 First and foremost I would

like to apologize to
Sportsman Lodge for causing any unintentional embarrassment in the way

i presented this problem to the games administrators. I could have chosen a more diplomatic

approach and avoided any hard feelings that my directness tends to stir up at times.
I was

just handicapping the race where I had one of my boys running and said..gee that horse has

alot of earnings for this level of competition.
In response to Nan
Quote
so

it's also a bit unsporting to try to find said loopholes in the hopes of eliminating

competition simply because you think it might be too much for yours
I

must say 1) I do like your writing style...(that is a sincere compliment) 2) the condition

book is set up to make this game more exciting. I like to give my horses ample rest and pick

their entries strategically based on :condition, distance, surface, time rested...etc. If i

see that my horse is running against a horse that conditionally does not belong in the race I

do not think it is fair. Nor do I think it is unsportsmanlike to point this fact

out....

So in closing I must say i greatly enjoy this game and forum, my intentions were

not to stir any hard feelings, as noted above my sincere apologies to the Sportsman Lodge, I

do not believe that they meant any wrong doing.. and to the Administrators of the game, my

posting was direct mostly because i wanted for you to receive it before the race began.
 


Nan

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May 11th Race 10
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2005, 07:56:31 am »
 
Quote
So in

closing I must say i greatly enjoy this game and forum, my intentions were not to stir any

hard feelings, as noted above my sincere apologies to the Sportsman Lodge, I do not believe

that they meant any wrong doing.. and to the Administrators of the game, my posting was

direct mostly because i wanted for you to receive it before the race

began.

Oh, and I for one didn't really

think that you were trying to be sneaky, or stir up ill-will or anything, and I'm sorry if

that's how that came across. I suppose I just felt I had to tease you a tiny bit on your

comment of "I don't think my horse has a chance against Battleship"; but all I meant by it

was some gentle ribbing and nothing more. :) I apologize to you, MJM, if I gave you or anyone

else the wrong impression that way.

The main reason that I did chime in was that you

raised an interesting (to me at least) point about NWx races, that being just what the 'NW'

part means, exactly. I'd thought that Stakes races didn't really count toward that, but it

seems that they do, and that does make sense, since Stakes are a

higher caliber than Allowances. If that's the case, then I learned something, and I thank

you for it.

And thank you for your compliment on my writing; it's a hobby of mine, even

though I haven't had the guts yet to put anything out to show anybody, so whenever anyone

seems happy with it I always get warm fuzzies. Thank you. :)

Okay, I'll stop beating this

particular subject now and go back to lurking. ;)

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May 11th Race 10
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2005, 11:59:30 am »
 Yeah, NWX includes wins in

allowances and any level of stakes.

Honestly, I'd known about this problem a while ago

(thanks to the entering script allowing Jade to put a horse who'd won 9 stakes - and who

knows how many allowances - into a NW3).  I'd just completely forgotten that, ya know, the

thing to do would be to fix the code.  :rolleyes:

I'll scratch Battleship now, since

Sportsman Lodge won't end up getting a refund if he scratches now anyway, and then try and

fix the code later today/this week.

Offline Shanthi

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May 11th Race 10
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2005, 12:00:15 pm »
 Oh, and thank you guys, for

not turning this thread into a nightmare one...having seen a few too many of those recently.  

:huh: